Linked by David Adams on Sun 11th Dec 2011 01:37 UTC, submitted by rhyder
Linux It's starting to look like the end of an era for Ubuntu users as Canonical mull the creation of an ISO that won't fit onto a CDR. The question is, does it matter? Canonical owes at least part of its success with Ubuntu Linux to the unique way that it has been distributed. From the start it has been available as a downloadable ISO image and a free CD, posted at no cost to the user. This was great news for people who wanted to install Linux but did not have the luxury of a decent Internet connection. In a sense, installing via a CDR image has always been like a kind of cache, in that you're moving part of the content that you need onto permanent storage rather than pulling it through the network connection
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RE[3]: Yes, it's a problem.
by Kivada on Mon 12th Dec 2011 02:46 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Yes, it's a problem."
Kivada
Member since:
2010-07-07

Not in developing countries. In places like India, South Africa and Indonesia 10-15 year old CRT monitors are still being advertised for sale on the local equivalents to Craigslist. Nothing that can be sold (even for $1) gets thrown out.

In some parts of Africa a "highly paid" professional (eg a doctor) may earn as little as $100/week and drive a 40 year old car.


They're still screwed even if they have a CD since their old IPG GPU will nolonger have support past Mesa 7.11 http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/mesa-dev/2011-August/010959.h...

Once again, choices in the "1st world" are trampling the "3rd world", though if they are in need of anything past VESA support they're welcome to patch as is always said in times like these in the OS community.

That and as I keep saying, have Canonical bring back ShipIt or at least do as Debian and link trusted shops that will send you the discs, Debian 6.0 Squeeze for $65 ZAR(About $8 USD) http://debian.goldencreations.co.za/

Or for Indonesia I found Kubuntu on DVD for 20Rp(apparently waaaay less then $0.01 USD) and the giant 8 DVD version of Debian 6.0.21 for 85Rp($0.01 USD) http://toko.baliwae.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=debian+...

Not that it matters as they will nolonger have GPU support on any newer releases as anything past MESA 7.11 has had the IGP drivers cut from it http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/mesa-dev/2011-August/010959.h...

You can advocate for keeping the .iso unnecessarily at 700Mb all you want but fact is they're once again out of the current tech world, this time by the actions of the OSS community because nobody was willing to update the old GPU drivers,many of which haven't been touched in years. I myself am looking at junking a bunch of Pentium4 and AthlonXP era hardware because there isn't going to be any GPU driver in upcoming distros for them and I can't justify the cost of the ATI/AMD HD2/3/4 series AGP or PCI GPUs, especially since theres no guarantee that they'll work as they're PCIe GPUs with either an AGP or PCI bridge chip that may not play well even with Catalyst on Linux as they are non standard and unofficially supported mods by the card makers.

Not that that all matters much though since the Trinity based version of the AMD A8 APU will easily be more powerful then all of those old machines combined and will be receiving full OSS driver support as well as OpenCL(eventually...) support for even more performance.

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RE[4]: Yes, it's a problem.
by AdamW on Mon 12th Dec 2011 03:42 in reply to "RE[3]: Yes, it's a problem."
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2005-07-06

Mesa only affects 3D support. Accelerated 2D rendering is still significantly better than VESA.

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RE[4]: Yes, it's a problem.
by AdamW on Mon 12th Dec 2011 03:47 in reply to "RE[3]: Yes, it's a problem."
AdamW Member since:
2005-07-06

In fact you can take it further: the main reason the 3D support for those chips is being dropped is simply that it's pretty much useless; they're just not powerful enough to do much *practical* in the present day. You can't play modern games on them, and making them capable of running Shell or Unity is more work than anyone wants to take on.

So given that the 3D code for those chips isn't really of much practical use to anyone, dropping it makes sense. But the same rationale does not apply to the 2D drivers for those chips.

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RE[5]: Yes, it's a problem.
by Kivada on Mon 12th Dec 2011 04:29 in reply to "RE[4]: Yes, it's a problem."
Kivada Member since:
2010-07-07

Apparently you haven't tried anything with an i810 series GPU recently, you lose allot more then 3d, you lose support for Xv and XvMC as well as I at least can't get the resolution to go past 960x529 on anything other then the, albeit crash happy i810 driver.

I'd love to be able to use it as would many many others since it was the ubiquitous IGP of the P4 series machines that can be found EVERYWHERE and was for sale on new machines as late as 2006 if I remember. But nobody, least of all Intel is willing to maintain the driver. But then they've also opted to keep the graphics stack fractured by refusing to port to Gallium3D.

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