Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 6th Jan 2012 10:06 UTC
Windows And so the smartphonification of the general purpose computer continues. This time around, though, it might actually be for the better. Microsoft has detailed two new features in Windows 8: refreshing and resetting your computer. Reinstalls will be a thing of the past.
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RE[4]: Slow down?
by Neolander on Fri 6th Jan 2012 16:08 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Slow down?"
Neolander
Member since:
2010-03-08

Nope. NTFS defragmenters improve over time though, so maybe at some point NTFS with scheduled defragmentation will start to reach the performance of ext3 save for the occasional slowdowns ;)

Edited 2012-01-06 16:08 UTC

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RE[5]: Slow down?
by bassbeast on Sat 7th Jan 2012 09:13 in reply to "RE[4]: Slow down?"
bassbeast Member since:
2007-11-11

The problem is you're thinking like Linux and windows is if anything more like OSX. You don't use the default utilities in Windows thanks to antitrust making MSFT hobble them to keep from getting busted. just look at how much they had to fight to get Windows Defender in there and it barely does anything!

You want to keep Windows nice and defragged there is Defraggler if you are cheap, its okay but not excellent, or there is either TuneUp Utilities (my preferred method) or Diskeeper but neither of those are free. what I like about TuneUp is it builds a profile on first run and "learns" what is best for YOUR machine. If you have a 200gb drive it might be completely different from me when i have 3 Tb spread over 2 drives. With mine it determined that on the 1Tb 18% fragmentation was where it affected performance, with the 2Tb it was 24%. I ran benches on the drives and found their numbers right on the money. With diskeeper it takes a "never allow ANY fragmentation" approach which for some like hardcore gamers might be the correct approach but i personally like the "one stop shop" of TuneUp as it clean, defrags, has a ton of other features, it really makes Windows "set and forget' which when you work 6 days a week like me is nice.

So don't blame NTFS as there isn't anything wrong with it, it has symlinks and junctions and all the other features you'd expect from a FS, its just you can't use the crap utilities that come with it if you want it to be running tip top as MSFT will get their butts sued. I mean how long have they owned MSE now and they are STILL not allowed to include an AV by default?

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RE[6]: Slow down?
by Alfman on Sat 7th Jan 2012 10:29 in reply to "RE[5]: Slow down?"
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

bassbeast,

"So don't blame NTFS as there isn't anything wrong with it, it has symlinks and junctions and all the other features you'd expect from a FS, its just you can't use the crap utilities that come with it if you want it to be running tip top as MSFT will get their butts sued. I mean how long have they owned MSE now and they are STILL not allowed to include an AV by default?"

So microsoft is required to make crap products by law? That explains alot!

I'm kidding, although I don't think microsoft was ever prevented from developing whatever it wanted, the antitrust was about bundling and giving it's own products preferential treatment in windows. As a monopoly it wasn't allowed to do that.


"...neither has ever needed reinstall thanks to my secret which is.....don't install crappy software! I know, its a concept and i'm sure heartbroken over those kitty screensavers i missed out on, but that's the price of having a rock solid Windows i suppose."

You can mitigate risks by not installing anything new on the machine, and it's true there's a lot of crapware out there. However I find it disappointing that such strict no-playing-around policies are needed to keep the OS running well. Isn't it reasonable to judge an OS by how easy it is to get rid of unwanted junk? For windows, often times it's much easier to to reinstall than to fix. More likely than not, the problem lies in the registry, but there's no systematic approach to solving registry problems. even if I can compare it side by side with a working system, it's a can of worms.

All platforms have pros and cons, choose what works best for you and to each their own!

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RE[6]: Slow down?
by Neolander on Sat 7th Jan 2012 13:06 in reply to "RE[5]: Slow down?"
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

I personally use MyDefrag (formerly JkDefrag), and it does its job well enough although I miss its predecessor's extremely straightforward UI. But that's not what I was referring to in the parent post.

My ext3 and ext4-based Linux installs have never reached a level of fragmentation that forces me to manually defragment them. They stay constantly at something like 1% fragmentation, and apparently it's not a 1% that matters much for overall OS performance.

Yet it doesn't seem like they have to perform any scheduled defragmentation/maintenance tasks, save for the occasional fsck that has become extremely quick in ext4. So I have to wonder what it is on Windows that requires regular defragmentation to be performed for good HDD performance to be achieved.

Either there is something fundamentally wrong in the NTFS spec, or Windows' file management routines are very badly written. I don't know enough about either to conclude. However, since implementation mistakes are relatively easy to fix in software, I'd spontaneously believe that after so many NT releases, if something could be fixed in Windows' code without a breach of software compatibility, it would be fixed by now. So I assume that NTFS is the problem.

Edited 2012-01-07 13:11 UTC

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