Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 26th Jan 2012 09:09 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless "Android accounted for 39% of the market in the final three months of last year, up from 29% a year earlier, Strategy Analytics said. Apple's share fell to 58% from 68%. Microsoft's share stood at 1.5%." Really now.
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RE[6]: Kindle Fire
by OMRebel on Fri 27th Jan 2012 14:30 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Kindle Fire"
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Go to the Kindle Fire page and find where it says it's running Android. If the manufacturer of the device doesn't say it's running Android, and it certainly doesn't pass Google's definition of a device that can call itself an Android device, how is it an Android device?

If you bought something claiming to be an Android device, or an iOS device for that matter, the fact that you changed it later doesn't impact the sales numbers. You bought an Android or iOS device. Similarly, if you buy a PC running Windows and replace Windows with Linux, you still bought a Windows PC and Microsoft can rightly count it as such. If you buy a Kindle Fire did you ever actually buy an Android device in the first place?


For your first claim - Android is mentioned on the front page twice. Once in a prominent quote by CNET, and the other is within Amazon's own description when it says "Amazon Appstore for Android". Wasn't hard to see at all, and most people out there actually know it's running Android. You can install any Android app (for Android 2.3 and prior) without any problems on it. It is Amazon that blocks Google's Market - not Google.

To answer your last question - yes, absolutely. The Kindle Fire runs Android 2.3 with a customized UI (just as HTC customizes the UI to run Sense or Samsung's TouchWiz).

See, that is one of the really great things about Android - you don't have to be running pure AOSP. You can tailor the OS to your wishes and needs. Bottom line - the Kindle Fire runs Android 2.3, and is an Android tablet. Amazon says so and the operating system is there that backs it up.

Edited 2012-01-27 14:47 UTC

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RE[7]: Kindle Fire
by rhavyn on Fri 27th Jan 2012 16:00 in reply to "RE[6]: Kindle Fire"
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2005-07-06

For your first claim - Android is mentioned on the front page twice. Once in a prominent quote by CNET, and the other is within Amazon's own description when it says "Amazon Appstore for Android". Wasn't hard to see at all, and most people out there actually know it's running Android. You can install any Android app (for Android 2.3 and prior) without any problems on it. It is Amazon that blocks Google's Market - not Google.


Both of the mentions of Android are for the kinds of applications it can run. The RIM Playbook is (in theory) supposed to be able to run Android applications too, does that mean it should be counted towards Google's market share? The fact that Amazon blocks Google's Market and all Android branding is the point, Amazon doesn't call it an Android device. Why should the Fire get counted towards Google's market share (because, let's be honest, that is what being called an Android device means) instead of being able to see Amazon's platform on it's own?

To answer your last question - yes, absolutely. The Kindle Fire runs Android 2.3 with a customized UI (just as HTC customizes the UI to run Sense or Samsung's TouchWiz).


Except HTC and Samsung say they are selling Android devices. Amazon does not one time say the Fire is running Android. If the manufacturer doesn't want to be associated with Android, why are they forced to be associated?

Again, since Amazon clearly doesn't label this an Android device, why are so many people insisting that it be counted as one?

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RE[8]: Kindle Fire
by OMRebel on Fri 27th Jan 2012 16:43 in reply to "RE[7]: Kindle Fire"
OMRebel Member since:
2005-11-14

Both of the mentions of Android are for the kinds of applications it can run. The RIM Playbook is (in theory) supposed to be able to run Android applications too, does that mean it should be counted towards Google's market share?


The RIM Playbook doesn't run Android. The Kindle fire does. Invalid correlation. You can run some Windows applications in Linux using Wine, yet, the operating system is still Linux. Since we know that Linux isn't a Windows kernel, companies don't brand it as such, and it's obvious, then such a claim would be dumb.

The fact that Amazon blocks Google's Market and all Android branding is the point, Amazon doesn't call it an Android device.


Yes they do. Jeff Bezo, Amazon's CEO, even stated such several times in the unveiling of the Kindle Fire. Repeating an inaccuracy over and over again will not change reality. Watch the announcement here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfpWDyL7BFY&feature=relmfu

Furthermore, they even brand their app store as "amazon appstore for Android".

So, that means the following:
1. It runs Android (that is a fact).
2. They claim it runs Android (that is a fact).
3. Their app store is branded as being for Android (that is a fact).

Why should the Fire get counted towards Google's market share (because, let's be honest, that is what being called an Android device means) instead of being able to see Amazon's platform on it's own?


We are talking about Android's market share - not Google. Chrome OS isn't included in this discussion. The focus is on Android, which is exactly what Amazon is running. You're really grasping at straws here man.

Except HTC and Samsung say they are selling Android devices. Amazon does not one time say the Fire is running Android. If the manufacturer doesn't want to be associated with Android, why are they forced to be associated?


See, you keep going back to making a false claim that has been proven as untrue already. Amazon claims it runs Android, it really does run Android, and they brand their store and being "for Android". They brand it as such, say it as such, and reality it is such.

Again, since Amazon clearly doesn't label this an Android device, why are so many people insisting that it be counted as one?


Wow, what are you wanting? The words Android flashing on the front of the device? Again, let's review:
1. They claim it runs Android.
2. We all know it does run Android.
3. They even brand their app store as being "for Android".

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