Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 7th Feb 2012 17:55 UTC
Talk, Rumors, X Versus Y Let this be a lesson. After posts by John Gruber and Shawn King, this happened to Violet Blue. "The misinformation gave a significant number of people fuel to stalk me, attack me for hours at a time, malign, insult me in disgusting ways, threaten me with weapon-specific violent death (an axe), and lead social media attempts to force me to lose my job over the matter. Many referenced John Gruber, and/or his post as they did this. Plans were openly made to make media to attack me - another Angry Mac Bastards podcast." Disgusting story, and sadly enough, this isn't the first time this has happened, as Blue notes in her article. I don't like talking about these matters (you don't want to know the kind of crap that gets thrown my way at times), but I can assure you my inbox has seen its share of pure vitriol after Gruber links to an OSNews piece. It ain't pretty.
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Any extremism is a problem.
by lucas_maximus on Tue 7th Feb 2012 18:11 UTC
lucas_maximus
Member since:
2009-08-18

It not just Apple Fanbois, it pretty much every fanboi out there. You can go on Kotaku and probably find the same flame wars.

In all instances people by into the "Why" i.e. the cause.

http://www.ted.com/speakers/simon_sinek.html

Worth watching, Apple is a specific example of his talk.

EDIT: Furthermore

Or, if the issue is contentious, people will congregate into partisan online bubbles in which their views are reinforced. I don’t think a collective voice can be effective for many topics, such as history--and neither can a partisan mob. Collectives have a power to distort history in a way that damages minority viewpoints and calcifies the art of interpretation. Only the quirkiness of considered individual expression can cut through the nonsense of mob--and that is the reason intellectual activity is important.


http://www.amazon.com/You-Are-Not-Gadget-Manifesto/dp/0307269647 ... from the Q&A section.

I am reading the book now, a bit waffly near the end.

Edited 2012-02-07 18:16 UTC

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No it isnt Member since:
2005-11-14

No, Apple fanboys are by far the worst. Fans of other products usually can accept that others have different needs; Apple fanboys want Apple in Microsoft's position. The reason why is, of course, that being heavily invested in Apple products makes it very expensive to switch, and also that being heavily invested in Apple products kinda sucks in a world dominated by others than Apple. The sectarianism is designed into the products.

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

You just proved the point of Jaron Lanier, who I quoted.

people will congregate into partisan online bubbles in which their views are reinforced


Anyway, most of the people I know that own Apple products in IRL aren't apple fanbois.

They are usually Young professionals, that want nice things, I am the only "PC" guy in the office of 100 people and I am also the only one that knows how to use a *nix terminal (which makes be the alpha geek). Most of them buy apple products because they are "cool" or they want something to spend their XMAS bonus on as a treat.

Also, people don't by into Apple's products, they buy into why Apple make the products as they do. Watch the Simon Sinek Video I linked.

Edited 2012-02-07 18:34 UTC

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darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

No, Apple fanboys are by far the worst. Fans of other products usually can accept that others have different needs; Apple fanboys want Apple in Microsoft's position. The reason why is, of course, that being heavily invested in Apple products makes it very expensive to switch, and also that being heavily invested in Apple products kinda sucks in a world dominated by others than Apple. The sectarianism is designed into the products.


I take it you haven't had to ever deal with the rabid Linux fanboys. They're just as bad and sometimes worse. We've got some of them on OSNews, just start criticizing Linux (not senselessly, but accurately) and you'll see them pop out of the woodwork. The GPL zealots are nasty too. It's unfortunate, but zealots exist in just about every category of life and I don't find even the worst tech fanboys to be as bad as, let's say, the religious fanatics who would happily kill me because my skin is the wrong color. It would be best, I think, if everyone involved in this whole thing would take a step back, have a beer and a smoke and calm the hell down. The tech fanboys (and fangirls) are just assholes, and there are people far worse than assholes out there.

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lucac81 Member since:
2007-09-13

The only problem is that they weren't talking about apple product, but a supposed third-party apple developer... that wasn't a developer at all.
Here it's only a matter of checking the reality before making claims...
like the author of the original article did...

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RE: Any extremism is a problem.
by fran on Tue 7th Feb 2012 18:42 in reply to "Any extremism is a problem."
fran Member since:
2010-08-06

The problem is notoriously just as common in the Linux community. Probably worse because of Linux's humanitarian ideals.
A recent happening. The acrimony levelled against this journalist was especially bad. (See comment to the article)

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/diy-it/why-ive-finally-had-it-with-my-lin...

The journalist was severely lambasted.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/diy-it/mea-culpa-coming-clean-about-my-n0...

Even if the journalist was wrong the problem is how some people deal with criticism. Fanboyism take on some tribal barbarity and criticism is perceived as a personal affront. Football is probably the worse example.

Edited 2012-02-07 18:50 UTC

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Totally.

The problem is that any criticism of Linux is (however valid) is basically akin to insulting that persons mother. If you bring up the stable ABI/API issue, there are all sorts of excuses and the fabricated.

The problem that really frustrates me that because they won't take any criticism, they will never improve it.

The same is in the Gamer Community, the cycling community (some Mountain Bikers won't ever ride a road bike because it is almost a religious issue, I get called a lot of names because I ride a fixed occasionally, even though I been riding them since I was 14), I am sure there are other examples.

Edited 2012-02-07 18:57 UTC

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Aristocracies Member since:
2010-06-15

Why do you insist upon spelling 'fanboy' with an 'i'? Is it because it looks an order of magnitude more grating when one reads it? Do you actually cringe when typing it?

Enquiring* minds want to know!

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Why do you insist upon spelling 'fanboy' with an 'i'?


Because that is how I have seen it spelt elsewhere on the internet numerous times.

What you have seen to have forgotten is that "fanboy" is not a word either, so commenting on correct spelling of something that is not included in any common dictionary is pretty stupid.

Is it because it looks an order of magnitude more grating when one reads it?


Now you have pointed it out that it irritates you, I will keep on spelling fanboi with an 'i'.

I was thinking of spelling fanboey ... but that would suggest it was a boey with a fan on the top.

Do you actually cringe when typing it?


No.

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RE: Any extremism is a problem.
by dvhh on Fri 10th Feb 2012 05:48 in reply to "Any extremism is a problem."
dvhh Member since:
2006-03-20

Totally agree there,

Issue with extremists is that they are louder, and give little argument (and it helps them being oppressed).

Of course depending on you experience you learn to deal with it (see Nintendo vs Sega, xbox vs playstation 3, Atari ST vs Amiga). I can admit that I have been an hardcore fanboy, and to some extend still am one.

Unfortunately, Apple could have the longest history of having an opinionated community.

But really, isn't that fanboyism some vent for our frustration and anger (which is better than, say pointing a gun and shooting randomly at people).

Disclaimer: subjective long time windows user that have moved to linux (at least at my home computers), and working with one mac mini that I look with disdain and work with while being frustrated by it. Only own a "featured" phone, that can already do TV/Radio/Map navigation, but being compeled to buy a less featured Android smartphone(damn those ads!) .

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