Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 24th Feb 2012 17:53 UTC
General Development "In this blog post (and the one that will follow) we'd like to introduce a few of the broad reaching experience improvements that we've delivered in Visual Studio 11. We've worked hard on them over the last two years and believe that they will significantly improve the experience that you will have with Visual Studio."
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Look what we've done
by arbour42 on Fri 24th Feb 2012 18:59 UTC
arbour42
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2005-07-06

Let me summarize these VS 2011 advancements:

1. We've re-arranged the toolbars
2. We've muted the colors and "lines".

This is what we've also done:

1. Killed Silverlight
2. Killed WPF
3. Killed Winforms

Now we have no client front-end development strategy, but we have a nifty looking dev tool. We've strung along developers for 10 years, and it was a fool's errand.

Perhaps this is why Delphi has had such a large sales increase over the last year of 54%. At least the VCL has been consistent (and powerful) for 17 years. People like supported products.

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RE: Look what we've done
by Hiev on Fri 24th Feb 2012 19:09 in reply to "Look what we've done"
Hiev Member since:
2005-09-27

Ah, no, You are confusing VS with the .NET Framework, Silverlight and WPF have new features in the recent release, besides, VS it self is build with WPF, so it is silly to think they are killing it, Winforms for the other hand is very active and with the native orientation of Windows 8 it will gain new steam.

And in what in concern to Delphi? really VCL? please. The main problem with the VCL it is that is not compatible between releases, for example, I can use in VS2010 an assembly generated in VS2003 with no problems, Delphi by the other hand, it breaks VCL compatibility with every release, So If I have bpl (the Delphi package equivalent to a .NET assembly) made with Delphi 7, it will not work even on Delphi 8 or 9 or 2010 or the newest.

The blog is short and it doesn't cover all the changes.

Edited 2012-02-24 19:14 UTC

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RE[2]: Look what we've done
by arbour42 on Fri 24th Feb 2012 19:27 in reply to "RE: Look what we've done"
arbour42 Member since:
2005-07-06

MS is touting meaningless chrome adjustments to VS 2011, while dumping large frameworks.

MS kills frameworks by simply dropping all marketing of them, which has happened to all 3 of these: SL, WPF, and winforms. Remember, WPF is the replacement to winforms, which has long been deprecated. WPF and SL used to get huge promotions, but now they are completely dead.

The entire MS dev community is completely confused by their direction - it's a complete mess.

As for Delphi, you are complaining about "possibly" having to recompile an EXE with a new release of the VCL, while Microsoft strings programmers along with THREE complete frameworks over a 10 year period, and then dumps all 3?

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RE[2]: Look what we've done
by snorkel1 on Sat 25th Feb 2012 03:19 in reply to "RE: Look what we've done"
snorkel1 Member since:
2012-02-25

You simply have to recompile and they work fine and dandy
even in XE2 assuming you have the source, and most 3rd party components include the source, and if you doing run time you just have to recompile the package.

Delphi XE2 is really nice and I would take it and the native single exe applications it creates any day over Visual Studio .not.

Most developers simply do not use BPL for run time packages since you can compile everything right into the exe.

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RE: Look what we've done
by moondevil on Fri 24th Feb 2012 21:03 in reply to "Look what we've done"
moondevil Member since:
2005-07-08

WPF is the foundation of Visual Studio and XAML is part of it. So I wonder how they are killing it.

WinForms is still used a lot on the enterprise world.

As much as I like Delphi, I really would like to know where you got those values from. I develop enterprise level applications, and there it is always Java, .NET or C++ in some cases.

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RE: Look what we've done
by Soulbender on Sat 25th Feb 2012 03:15 in reply to "Look what we've done"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Perhaps this is why Delphi has had such a large sales increase over the last year of 54%.


Really? If that's actually true it's awesome but it wouldnt hurt if you could back this up somewhow.

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RE[2]: Look what we've done
by snorkel1 on Sat 25th Feb 2012 03:27 in reply to "RE: Look what we've done"
snorkel1 Member since:
2012-02-25

Delphi XE2 has indeed become fairly popular thanks to the native win64 and Mac OSX support as well as the cross platform FireMonkey GUI, pretty nice stuff people.
it won't be long and you will be able to cross compile for Linux as well as Mac OSX

Not to mention Delphi is still the best way to create Database applications.

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RE[2]: Look what we've done
by Hiev on Sat 25th Feb 2012 16:26 in reply to "RE: Look what we've done"
Hiev Member since:
2005-09-27