Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 7th Mar 2012 22:59 UTC
Apple And it was that time of the year again - Apple held one of its product announcements. This one focussed on the iPad mostly, and while some will call it a disappointment merely because virtually everything had already been leaked, I'm still in awe over the fact the newly announced iPad has a 2048x1536 display. My mind is blown.
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RE[6]: Still Crippled.
by bornagainenguin on Fri 9th Mar 2012 01:52 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Still Crippled."
bornagainenguin
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2005-08-07

nefer suggested....

This completely curtails its functionality as a post-PC device, because ding ding ding you STILL need a PC to make it all work!

I must say I disagree. Contrary to desktops, you don't have oodles of diskspace on a Post PC device. Being able to subscribe on podcasts - then forgetting about them - and have your disk consequentially filled with podcasts that you haven't listened to yet - or have forgotten about entirely - doesn't sound like a very attractive idea to me.

It makes much more sense not to subscribe them in the first place, and just get them when you want to listen to them. This way you have better control on what the storage on your post pc device gets used for.


That's the first time anyone posted a reason for this default behavior that made a lick of sense! I still think its wrongheaded, because I think I should be the one to make that determination--not Apple. And even if your reasoning is correct this issue could still be worked around, much like the DVR people handle the issue. Apple could make it a setting for the iTunes application to keep at most X episodes. Or they could make it a setting to only use XX GB to store podcasts.

But not even offering me an option to subscribe unless I'm willing to dock the iPad to a desktop, a "real" computer is for the birds. Not everyone wants a 3G\4G account with a carrier (and the stupidity that is bandwidth caps) or will be in a place that always has WiFi. It'd be nice to be able to load up on podcasts ahead of time for those situations. Regardless until this gets fixed it means the iPad is for all intents and purposes crippled.

--bornagainpenguin

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RE[7]: Still Crippled.
by akrosdbay on Fri 9th Mar 2012 05:29 in reply to "RE[6]: Still Crippled."
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2008-06-09


But not even offering me an option to subscribe unless I'm willing to dock the iPad to a desktop, a "real" computer is for the birds. Not everyone wants a 3G\4G account with a carrier (and the stupidity that is bandwidth caps) or will be in a place that always has WiFi. It'd be nice to be able to load up on podcasts ahead of time for those situations. Regardless until this gets fixed it means the iPad is for all intents and purposes crippled.

--bornagainpenguin


I am utterly confused.

Where are these podcasts stored and how will they get on the device without 3G/4G or Wifi? They are stored on a Computer, right?

How does being able to subscribe to podcasts from the iPad some how automagically circumvent downloading data on 3G/4G or Wifi?

Like the other poster said If you willy nilly subscribe to a bunch of podcasts on a whim on your phone or tablet a) You fill up space b) You chew that precious 3G/4G bandwidth.

I do agree that apple could improve the podcast feature and they just might sometime in the future if enough users complain. I understand it is a showstopper for you but I am completely at a loss trying to figure out what your are getting at with the above point.

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RE[8]: Still Crippled.
by phoenix on Fri 9th Mar 2012 22:08 in reply to "RE[7]: Still Crippled."
phoenix Member since:
2005-07-11

Read the part you quoted.

He wants to be able to pre-load podcasts onto the iPad, using only apps that ship with the iPad (since iTunes is iTunes is iTunes, right?).

IOW, he wants to subscribe to podcasts in iTunes on the iPad. Have it automatically download new episodes while the iPad is sitting at home on wifi. And then be able to play these episodes whenever he wants while out travelling with the iPad.

No computer running iTunes involved in anyway. Everything managed and stored on the iPad.

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RE[7]: Still Crippled.
by nefer on Fri 9th Mar 2012 17:28 in reply to "RE[6]: Still Crippled."
nefer Member since:
2012-02-15

Not everyone wants a 3G\4G account with a carrier (and the stupidity that is bandwidth caps) or will be in a place that always has WiFi.


Saying you want a Post-PC device without access to a wireless network is like saying you want a Graphical desktop without a mouse. Wireless, be it 3G, 4G or mobile, is an inherent part of the Post-PC experience.

Post-PC is NOT just about a smartphone. Its about a whole set of technologies and services that are finely attuned to and complement eachother to provide the whole widget. You either go for that widget or you don't. You can't be both on the bus and not on the bus. You can't have it both ways and complain afterwards it doesn't work properly.

Edited 2012-03-09 17:29 UTC

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RE[8]: Still Crippled.
by bornagainenguin on Fri 9th Mar 2012 20:19 in reply to "RE[7]: Still Crippled."
bornagainenguin Member since:
2005-08-07

nefer posted...

Not everyone wants a 3G\4G account with a carrier (and the stupidity that is bandwidth caps) or will be in a place that always has WiFi.

Saying you want a Post-PC device without access to a wireless network is like saying you want a Graphical desktop without a mouse. Wireless, be it 3G, 4G or mobile, is an inherent part of the Post-PC experience.


Are you being deliberately obtuse?

All I meant by the mention of 3G\4G and WiFi not always being available was that streaming is not always an answer, nor is iCloud a substitute for having the media on the device itself.

Of course I want WiFi or some other kind of internet connectivity on my tablet. Not everywhere I go has WiFi though. Nor does everywhere I go have a good 3G connection let alone a 4G signal! I'm not speaking in hypotheticals here either, I know what I'm talking about.

The area I live AT&T is unable to provide more than EDGE connectivity! Personally that makes it useless to do anything beyond simple text and images...kind of like being on dialup. Sure there are other options in the area--I use Sprint myself--and several friends swear by Verizon. My Dad and Mom are sticking with AT&T despite the crappy EDGE connection in town because they think the free mobile to mobile minutes are worth it, and they can use their WiFi at home any way.

I'm sure our area isn't the only one with this kind of situation. Funny thing is once they get about ten miles out of town suddenly they get a g
So what happens when theyreat signal, full 3G... Go figure.

But if they were forced to rely on that EDGE connection to get their podcasts, they'd still be downloading days later. And even then--if AT&T ever added 3G\4G support to our area, they'd still be up against the bandwidth cap. How many podcast episodes do you think it'd take before they hit 2GB? Considering the average episode size of just ONE of their shows is 199MB, and the producer releases one five times a week...yeah.

So obviously WiFi is the way to go. That's not the issue. The issue is why should we have to connect the iPad to another computer to have their subscription work?

I'm not asking to be free from the WiFi, I'm asking why do we need to tether this "post-PC" internet tablet to the desktop? I'm asking for the chain to be taken off the device, for Apple to stop clipping its wings. The tablet is connected to the internet, let it connect that way on its own, without the need for some third party machine or application to get in the way.

nefer posted...
Post-PC is NOT just about a smartphone. Its about a whole set of technologies and services that are finely attuned to and complement each other to provide the whole widget. You either go for that widget or you don't. You can't be both on the bus and not on the bus. You can't have it both ways and complain afterwards it doesn't work properly.


This straw man argument is getting tiring. No one is talking about smartphones here, the discussion is about the unnecessary crippling of the iPad while pushing it as a Post-PC device. My contention is that by forcing customers into an unnatural 90s era paradigm where they have to sync their iPads to a "real computer" to get their podcast subscriptions Apple is not providing the whole widget.

The digital hub of this decade is the iPad, not the desktop. Apple needs to let the iPad take its place, not hobble it in effort to maintain the last decade's digital hub. They have converged almost everything that once connected to the Macintosh into one device--the iPad, and did a great job of it--but if they don't get out of their own way they're going to lose everything.

--bornagainpenguin

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RE[8]: Still Crippled.
by phoenix on Fri 9th Mar 2012 22:09 in reply to "RE[7]: Still Crippled."
phoenix Member since:
2005-07-11

He's saying he won't always be around an Internet connection, but would still like to be able to listen to podcasts on the iPad. IOW, the podcasts would be pre-loaded while near an Internet connection, for listening later when not near an Internet connection.

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