Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 17th Apr 2012 07:41 UTC
Windows While I was fast asleep, Microsoft unveiled the SKUs for Windows 8 - and we're in for a surprise. Yes, after years and years of fully deserved mockery for releasing 343 versions of each Windows release, the company has seen the light and reduced everything to just four - of which only two, Windows 8 and Windows 8 Pro, will be freely available in stores.
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ARM
by Moredhas on Tue 17th Apr 2012 08:19 UTC
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Windows 8 ARM probably will be freely available, just not in a way Microsoft wants. All it will take is for some enterprising individual to borrow recovery partition from a fairly standard device, put it in a disk image of some sort, and people will be able to make their own installation media.

Edit: And thus, Microsoft loses business in the future to pirates. People who may well have bought copies of Windows 8 for their ARM machines will be forced into a life of crime.

Edited 2012-04-17 08:20 UTC

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RE: ARM
by rbenchley on Tue 17th Apr 2012 09:02 in reply to "ARM"
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2005-11-03

People who may well have bought copies of Windows 8 for their ARM machines will be forced into a life of crime.

How exactly are they going to be forced to steal software? I agree with you that Microsoft would be much wiser to sell Windows 8 for ARM to anyone who has a machine that meets a certain set of guidelines, but they're not forcing anyone to do anything. If someone doesn't want to invest in a new ARM device in order to use Win 8, there many versions of Linux or Android that they can use.

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RE[2]: ARM
by Moredhas on Tue 17th Apr 2012 09:18 in reply to "RE: ARM"
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2008-04-10

I'm being melodramatic about it. If Microsoft won't meet the paying customers who have their wallets in their hands, and these people really want Windows, they're going to pirate it. I agree, Linux really is good enough, if not preferable for some, though.

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RE: ARM
by WereCatf on Tue 17th Apr 2012 10:01 in reply to "ARM"
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2006-02-15

Don't forget SecureBoot; we do not yet have any idea how easy it would be to disable or emulate. As such what you are proclaiming is a tad bit premature.

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RE[2]: ARM
by pgeorgi on Tue 17th Apr 2012 17:43 in reply to "RE: ARM"
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Don't forget SecureBoot; we do not yet have any idea how easy it would be to disable or emulate.

We do, it's specified in the latest UEFI spec.

Essentially a variable that state "yup, everything is secure".

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RE: ARM
by arpan on Tue 17th Apr 2012 10:15 in reply to "ARM"
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People who may well have bought copies of Windows 8 for their ARM machines will be forced into a life of crime.


What ARM machines? ARM devices aren't freely available. The ones that are available are the iOS & Android devices, and although they may have also use ARM, the hardware will probably be very different from what Windows RT supports (which I expect will be only selected SOCs like Windows Phone).

Piracy is not gonna be easy, since the only devices that will run Windows RT properly will already come with Windows RT preinstalled!

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RE[2]: ARM
by gan17 on Tue 17th Apr 2012 10:43 in reply to "RE: ARM"
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What ARM machines? ARM devices aren't freely available.


Niche market right now, I realize, but what about stuff like the Raspberry Pi or Pandaboard? I'm pretty sure (assuming the hardware is powerful enough) there are some people out there that would want to run Windows on these things.

Edited 2012-04-17 10:44 UTC

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RE[2]: ARM
by Neolander on Tue 17th Apr 2012 17:46 in reply to "RE: ARM"
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2010-03-08

What ARM machines? ARM devices aren't freely available. The ones that are available are the iOS & Android devices, and although they may have also use ARM, the hardware will probably be very different from what Windows RT supports (which I expect will be only selected SOCs like Windows Phone).

As far as I can tell, Microsoft have decided to take ARM a big step forward and to force Windows 8 ARM OEMs to follow some SoC-agnostic standards (UEFI and ACPI noticeably).

Too bad that they will also force locked bootloaders on these things, they would have been the first ARM devices which I would have enjoyed low-level development on.

Edited 2012-04-17 17:47 UTC

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RE: ARM
by unoengborg on Tue 17th Apr 2012 18:09 in reply to "ARM"
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2005-07-06

Windows 8 ARM probably will be freely available, just not in a way Microsoft wants. All it will take is for some enterprising individual to borrow recovery partition from a fairly standard device, put it in a disk image of some sort, and people will be able to make their own installation media.

Edit: And thus, Microsoft loses business in the future to pirates. People who may well have bought copies of Windows 8 for their ARM machines will be forced into a life of crime.



I would say Microsoft should be grateful for every extra copy that expands the win8 user-base. It will be hard to get people to use such a different GUI, and if people don't use it developers will be less willing to develop software for it, and with less software, less users... It's little like the same problem Linux faces, and have faced on the desktop.

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RE: ARM
by 0brad0 on Wed 18th Apr 2012 01:58 in reply to "ARM"
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2007-05-05

Windows 8 ARM probably will be freely available, just not in a way Microsoft wants. All it will take is for some enterprising individual to borrow recovery partition from a fairly standard device, put it in a disk image of some sort, and people will be able to make their own installation media.

Edit: And thus, Microsoft loses business in the future to pirates. People who may well have bought copies of Windows 8 for their ARM machines will be forced into a life of crime.


Comment makes no sense. When was the last time you bought a copy of iOS or Android and installed it on to an ARM-based device? Windows on ARM will be no different.

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RE: ARM
by bassbeast on Wed 18th Apr 2012 06:42 in reply to "ARM"
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First of all...who is gonna steal WOA? it'd be like stealing Vista or even Bob, its behind the curve in EVERY way, its got less apps, less polish, frankly I'm not a fan of either company but Google and Apple have been curb stomping WinPhone and just because you change the name to Win 8 ain't gonna sell it any better, after all they tried that with WinPhone 7 and it went nowhere.

Second of all this story makes NO sense because there are ALREADY less versions of Windows, in fact at retail there are only three, one of which you can't even buy! as far as the public is concerned there is only three...Win 7 Starter, Win 7 HP, and Win 7 Pro. No one that isn't in a third world country will ever come across Basic, the ONLY place I've seen Starter is on bottom of the barrel Atom netbooks (most of the AMD or ION ones I've seen come with HP) and unless you are an admin at a large corp then for all intents and purposes Enterprise is just Pro.

If anything this (along with the 2012 server story, did you LOOK at the start screen for server? what are they thinking?) just shows how lost MSFT is with Ballmer at the helm. How many here think the average consumer is gonna know what an ARM chip is, or that RT equals ARM? people will buy it, find out its a Windows that doesn't actually run Windows programs and then they'll be brought back in masse.

So frankly MSFT should drop down on their knees and thank any Deity they believe in if pirates take the turkey because i have a feeling the best they'll get IRL is a theme for Android as just like Vista this is gonna be a version nobody pirates.

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