Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 28th Apr 2012 17:19 UTC
Windows I wish more people who work or have worked for large technology companies were as open, honest, and excited as Steve Wozniak still gets over new technology and gadgets. He recently bought a Nokia Lumia 900 - and he's loving it. So much so, in fact, that he claims it's better than Android and iOS in many respects.
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RE[3]: Comment by Radio
by Radio on Sun 29th Apr 2012 08:44 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Radio"
Radio
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2009-06-20

The Microsoft cavalry has arrived. God forbid I stray away from my keyboard more than 24 hours; the inquisition is here and is waiting for me to explain myself.

The tiles are restricive (too big, too disorganized, too similar one from another), the Metro language is restrictive and doesn't fit all people (I have more of a visual rather than a textual memory - and what about dyslexics? I also searched how Metro would work in chinese; because that language is far more compact, it is messier and breaks a core design guideline - the fact that titles overflow outside the screen to indicate that one can scroll right for more content).

WP7 is not another fundamental platform choice, it is iOS with all its restrictions (and some more - but WP8 will correct all that, yeah? except the fundamental shortcomings I described) with a different design choice (more typography, less icons). No wonder that for so many iOS fans, from Gruber to now Wozniak, it is love at first sight (but of course, as much as they love it, they won't switch). We-know-what-is-good-for-you-and-we-won't-let-you-do-what-YOU-want. Different package, same politic.

Now, go on, unleash your anger against my stupidity and dishonesty. We all see what happens in the comments when somebody dares to critic WP7 _ not only when Topolsky reviewed the Lumia 900, but everywhere someone says anything remotely negative on the perfect WP7.

And don't get me started on the "smoked by WP7" rigged contest, the Android tax they bully, how they are killing Nokia or the upcoming fiasco of the WP8 upgrade (so much hardware control and restrictions for so little benefits...).

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RE[4]: Comment by Radio
by helf on Sun 29th Apr 2012 13:27 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Radio"
helf Member since:
2005-07-06

The Microsoft cavalry has arrived. God forbid I stray away from my keyboard more than 24 hours; the inquisition is here and is waiting for me to explain myself.


Oh, don't get snitty with us. If you'd take the extra 30 seconds required to articulate your opinions and concerns instead of posting an inflammatory throwaway one-liner as fast as you can to get top post spot, we wouldn't have asked the simple "why?" question or insinuated that you are/were just a troll. Most of us are actually fully willing to have civil discussion about the pros and cons of our chosen poison.

Now, with that out of the way, lets DO THIS THING :p



The tiles are restricive (too big, too disorganized, too similar one from another), the Metro language is restrictive and doesn't fit all people (I have more of a visual rather than a textual memory - and what about dyslexics? I also searched how Metro would work in chinese; because that language is far more compact, it is messier and breaks a core design guideline - the fact that titles overflow outside the screen to indicate that one can scroll right for more content).


I'll admit, the tile sizings under Windows 8 are too large for my tastes, but they are that way for a reason - They will hold a multitude of information.

On the phone? They are the perfect size for holding at-a-glance information and being easy to smash with your finger or thumb. Now, I definitely have a more textual than visual memory, so that concern, at least, is not an issue for me. But I will say that there is plenty of visual distinction between tiles as well as textual. Do not forget that the user is the one placing the tiles in their location, it is not - after the initial, default, screen - done by the OS. This aids in memory of what's where. Also, I'm mildly dyslexic; I reverse and move letters around at seemingly random intervals. My brother-in-law is far more dyslexic than I and he had no trouble using my Arrive and rather liked it. His current choice of Phone/Mobile OS is an iPhone 4s, but his previous few phones have been Android. If you can work out text on those interfaces, even with dyslexia, then you can do it on Metro. And I will FREELY admit that Metro isn't for everyone. But, from my personal experience (which, I know, is never valid input on the Internet, unless it falls with the hivemind's view point...), people pick Metro up easily after a few moments use; once they realize how it works.

As for localization in other languages? Can't really comment on that as it isn't my expertise and I only use my native English on computers. So I will look more into that.

Admittedly, my examples are purely anecdotal. Such is the life of Internet opinions ;)


WP7 is not another fundamental platform choice, it is iOS with all its restrictions (and some more - but WP8 will correct all that, yeah? except the fundamental shortcomings I described) with a different design choice (more typography, less icons). No wonder that for so many iOS fans, from Gruber to now Wozniak, it is love at first sight (but of course, as much as they love it, they won't switch). We-know-what-is-good-for-you-and-we-won't-let-you-do-what-YOU-want. Different package, same politic.


Thank you for going from reasonable discourse to a ranting style. You are obviously NOT the target market for WP7/W8 and iOS, so why are you bothering to comment in here when it obviously gets your blood pressure up? We need dissenting view points to stay alive so we can have viable competition to keep things interesting ;)


Now, go on, unleash your anger against my stupidity and dishonesty. We all see what happens in the comments when somebody dares to critic WP7 _ not only when Topolsky reviewed the Lumia 900, but everywhere someone says anything remotely negative on the perfect WP7.

And don't get me started on the "smoked by WP7" rigged contest, the Android tax they bully, how they are killing Nokia or the upcoming fiasco of the WP8 upgrade (so much hardware control and restrictions for so little benefits...).


Really? REALLY? Get defensive much? You posted a 9 word positive sentence - one with no faults. Then slapped an 8 word negative one right below that with no expansion of your points. Of COURSE people are going to ask you to explain yourself. I saw no anger but, I suppose, my post insinuated stupidity. But can you really argue that dismissal based on previous flame wars whenever WP7 is mentioned?

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RE[5]: Comment by Radio
by Radio on Sun 29th Apr 2012 20:19 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Radio"
Radio Member since:
2009-06-20

Thank you for going from reasonable discourse to a ranting style. You are obviously NOT the target market for WP7/W8 and iOS, so why are you bothering to comment in here when it obviously gets your blood pressure up? We need dissenting view points to stay alive so we can have viable competition to keep things interesting ;)

And my rant was driving the point that WP7 is not competition. Microsoft and Apple are the same thing in a different package. If I don't like Apple's offering or politics, what use is it for me to go to a Microsoft who does the exact same thing? There is no true competition.

If you learned a bit of economics, you may remember that perfect competition happens in a field with a lot of competitors, numerous enough to ensure none of them has enough influence alone on the market, and that any collusion would be hard to set up. As it is, the OS market is an oligopoly - and always will be, for a question of coders always settling en masse for one, or two, at most three, standards. WP7 does not give "choice" by its existence alone. Metro is nice, but it is a gimmick, and is a vain attempt at originality because nothing else is original in WP7.

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