Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 28th May 2012 23:32 UTC
Privacy, Security, Encryption "A massive, highly sophisticated piece of malware has been newly found infecting systems in Iran and elsewhere and is believed to be part of a well-coordinated, ongoing, state-run cyberespionage operation. The malware, discovered by Russia-based anti-virus firm Kaspersky Lab, is an espionage toolkit that has been infecting targeted systems in Iran, Lebanon, Syria, Sudan, the Israeli Occupied Territories and other countries in the Middle East and North Africa for at least two years. Dubbed 'Flame' by Kaspersky, the malicious code dwarfs Stuxnet in size." Since I'm not particularly well-versed in the subject, maybe someone can answer this question for me: if country A creates a malware infection like this to spy on and/or harm computers in country B, can it be construed as an act of war under existing international law?
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RE[2]: Act Of War
by adinas on Tue 29th May 2012 12:12 UTC in reply to "RE: Act Of War"
adinas
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2005-08-17

I didn't say Iran invaded anyone (though Iran's Hezbollah militia have taken over Lebanon effectively making it occupied Iranian territory). Iran does arm Shiite groups throughout the Middle East who do carry out attacks on Sunni civilians.

Where in Western countries like the U.S. there is at least an internal debate on how moral their actions are and no intentional killing of civilians, Iran officially supports the spread of Shiite beliefs through violence against civilians. And this is what give the U.S. the moral high ground.

Edited 2012-05-29 12:18 UTC

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RE[3]: Act Of War
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 29th May 2012 12:23 in reply to "RE[2]: Act Of War"
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2005-06-29

Right, saying "we don't want to kill civilians" yet still be responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of them this past decade alone makes it alright.

Amazing.

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RE[4]: Act Of War
by adinas on Tue 29th May 2012 12:30 in reply to "RE[3]: Act Of War"
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2005-08-17

hundreds of thousands? seriously?

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RE[4]: Act Of War
by M.Onty on Tue 29th May 2012 12:37 in reply to "RE[3]: Act Of War"
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2009-10-23

... responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of them this past decade ...


Which hundreds of thousands would these be?

Edit:
You've replied above already.

On Iraq, the coalition is responsible for creating the chaotic conditions which murderous regional factions used to slaughter each other and innocents. Thats dangerous fat-headedness, whereas being "responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands" sounds too much like genocide.

Edited 2012-05-29 12:51 UTC

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RE[3]: Act Of War
by Loreia on Tue 29th May 2012 13:29 in reply to "RE[2]: Act Of War"
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2012-01-17

...And this is what give the U.S. the moral high ground.


No, it gives them only a cheap justification.

P.S.
I kind of thought this would be about computer virus, not politics.

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RE[4]: Act Of War
by adinas on Tue 29th May 2012 13:45 in reply to "RE[3]: Act Of War"
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2005-08-17

It's called the Flame virus because it causes flame wars ;)

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RE[3]: Act Of War
by Soulbender on Tue 29th May 2012 23:49 in reply to "RE[2]: Act Of War"
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2005-08-18

Where in Western countries like the U.S. there is at least an internal debate on how moral their actions are and no intentional killing of civilians


Iran Air Flight 655.
Yeah, that's some moral high ground. Funny how you seem to think you're above accepting responsibility for your screwups.

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RE[4]: Act Of War
by adinas on Wed 30th May 2012 06:21 in reply to "RE[3]: Act Of War"
adinas Member since:
2005-08-17

I don't see the point in arguing with someone who can't tell the difference between the accidental killing of civilians that no one wanted and everyone regrets versus the deliberate education, advocation and celebration of the murder of civilians (Google "gaza celebrate 9 11" for an example).

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