Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 29th May 2012 12:43 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless "Two weeks ago, Steve Wozniak made a public call for Apple to open its platforms for those who wish to tinker, tweak and innovate with their internals. EFF supports Wozniak's position: while Apple's products have many virtues, they are marred by an ugly set of restrictions on what users and programmers can do with them. This is most especially true of iOS, though other Apple products sometimes suffer in the same way. In this article we will delve into the kinds of restrictions that Apple, phone companies, and Microsoft have been imposing on mobile computers; the excuses these companies make when they impose these restrictions; the dangers this is creating for open innovation; why Apple in particular should lead the way in fixing this mess. We also propose a bill of rights that need to be secured for people who are purchasing smartphones and other pocket computers."
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RE: Comment by ilovebeer
by Alfman on Tue 29th May 2012 17:45 UTC in reply to "Comment by ilovebeer"
Alfman
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2011-01-28

ilovebeer,

"To the people who cause such a big fuss over closed-source software, instead of crying about it all the time why don't you use that time to develop an alternative that you can give to anyone who wants it? Instead of constantly pointing your finger at how these companies don't do what you want them to, just go do it yourself. If you were so innovative to begin with you would be doing that already."

You try to insult open technology promoters as being non-innovative, but in fact many of us are innovative and that's a fundamental reason for keeping technology open: we don't want corporations to have all the control. People who are trying to stop the proliferation of closed devices do it because of how it destroys our capacity to innovate, distribute and sell our creations without getting permission to do so first. The new platforms are being designed to tax our income and control our work. There's nothing innovative about that, it's pure and simple greed.

Now maybe you feel they're entitled to impose locks on consumer devices to control the market if they can, never mind the damage it may cause to competition and the free (as in freedom) software market. But you'd have to be an idiot to not recognise or to deny that locked platforms will harm independent developers as well as consumers who loose access to competing marketplaces.

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RE[2]: Comment by ilovebeer
by ilovebeer on Tue 29th May 2012 18:29 in reply to "RE: Comment by ilovebeer"
ilovebeer Member since:
2011-08-08

ilovebeer,

"To the people who cause such a big fuss over closed-source software, instead of crying about it all the time why don't you use that time to develop an alternative that you can give to anyone who wants it? Instead of constantly pointing your finger at how these companies don't do what you want them to, just go do it yourself. If you were so innovative to begin with you would be doing that already."

You try to insult open technology promoters as being non-innovative, but in fact many of us are innovative and that's a fundamental reason for keeping technology open: we don't want corporations to have all the control.

It seems you didn't pay attention. I was clearly talking about people who whine whine whine but don't participate in being innovative. IE: People who are all talk and no walk.

People who are trying to stop the proliferation of closed devices do it because of how it destroys our capacity to innovate, distribute and sell our creations without getting permission to do so first. The new platforms are being designed to tax our income and control our work. There's nothing innovative about that, it's pure and simple greed.

Of course there's greed. There always has been and always will be greed in humanity. But that fact does not stop 'you' from developing completely open platforms and software. Instead 'your' time appears better spent complaining rather than doing. (* Please pay attention to the use of the ' ' .)

Now maybe you feel they're entitled to impose locks on consumer devices to control the market if they can, never mind the damage it may cause to competition and the free (as in freedom) software market. But you'd have to be an idiot to not recognise or to deny that locked platforms will harm independent developers as well as consumers who loose access to competing marketplaces.

It's not a matter of what I "feel", it's a matter of what the law provides them. These companies have the right to protect THEIR products and THEIR interests, within the law. If you don't like it, do your part in changing the law.

You'd have to be an idiot to not understand that the only "independent developers" who are harmed by locked platforms are the people stupid enough to depend on them.

Edited 2012-05-29 18:33 UTC

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RE[3]: Comment by ilovebeer
by Alfman on Wed 30th May 2012 02:49 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by ilovebeer"
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

"It seems you didn't pay attention. I was clearly talking about people who whine whine whine but don't participate in being innovative. IE: People who are all talk and no walk."

Well that's not what you initially said, but ok.

"But that fact does not stop 'you' from developing completely open platforms and software. Instead 'your' time appears better spent complaining rather than doing."

That's view is completely ignorant of what's going on. Software developers write software, hence our title. Most of us don't build or sell hardware. Very few of us have the means to do so. We write software for users and consumers to use on their hardware. If we cannot reach users any longer because more and more of them are no longer at liberty to install our software, then innovation will become constricted and stagnant. You'd have to be an idiot not to see it. What is your justification in thinking that device lockdowns will hurt only non-innovative software developers as opposed to all software developers?

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RE[3]: Comment by ilovebeer
by phoudoin on Wed 30th May 2012 07:15 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by ilovebeer"
phoudoin Member since:
2006-06-09

These companies have the right to protect THEIR products and THEIR interests, within the law. If you don't like it, do your part in changing the law.


True. And these days, people have learn that whining and using whatever media to relay it is more effective to influence the consumer behavior than waiting than the so-called citizen's representative politicians wake-up and change the law to match new reality.

See, it's not called whining anymore, but lobbying.
A perfectly legal citizen's right.
Welcome to 21th century.

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