Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 31st May 2012 11:11 UTC
Fedora Core "Fedora 18 will be released at around the same time as Windows 8, and as previously discussed all Windows 8 hardware will be shipping with secure boot enabled by default. [...] We've been working on a plan for dealing with this. It's not ideal, but of all the approaches we've examined we feel that this one offers the best balance between letting users install Fedora while still permitting user freedom." Wait for it... "Our first stage bootloader will be signed with a Microsoft key."
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RE[7]: Ehmm...
by ilovebeer on Sun 3rd Jun 2012 17:55 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Ehmm..."
ilovebeer
Member since:
2011-08-08

ilovebeer,

At least you seem to be aware of the contradiction that owners aren't true owners when someone else holds the keys. So which is it? Are you ok with owners not being free to replace the keys on their own property or not? Considering this is what you called me a troll for pointing out...I at least feel entitled to a strait answer.

I've already said a person who buys a computer owns only the hardware itself, not the software. That's about as simple as it gets. Do you mean to tell me you don't know whether a key is a software or hardware component?

I have no problem with owners not being able to change the keys if they have no problem with it. However, there's no evidence to suggest owners can't change their keys so once again this is claiming the sky is falling when it is not.

I personally will not purchase hardware in which I can't change the keys myself, or I can't circumvent the lock down.

You need to realize different people have different ideas of what's acceptable and what isn't. If people are provided with more security and less problems, they'll likely be fine with it. For those who aren't they will find alternatives. If "I" am fine with a locked down system, who are you to tell me otherwise?

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RE[8]: Ehmm...
by Alfman on Sun 3rd Jun 2012 20:59 in reply to "RE[7]: Ehmm..."
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

ilovebeer,

"I have no problem with owners not being able to change the keys if they have no problem with it."

Good job on responding to the question with a qualified answer by the way. But I still have to ask, do you have a problem with owners not being able to change the keys on property they own once they determine that they have a reason to?

Another question I have for you, do you think vendors will advertise these device restrictions up front such that typical people will be aware of them?

Edited 2012-06-03 21:11 UTC

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RE[9]: Ehmm...
by ilovebeer on Mon 4th Jun 2012 02:49 in reply to "RE[8]: Ehmm..."
ilovebeer Member since:
2011-08-08

"I have no problem with owners not being able to change the keys if they have no problem with it."

Good job on responding to the question with a qualified answer by the way. But I still have to ask, do you have a problem with owners not being able to change the keys on property they own once they determine that they have a reason to?

Owners who would like to change keys should have a means to do so. From the sound of it, they will.

Another question I have for you, do you think vendors will advertise these device restrictions up front such that typical people will be aware of them?

Depends on what you mean by "up front". Do I think they'll make it a point to inform people? No. Restrictions are almost never advertised outside of the small/fine print, and usually not discussed unless the customer inquires.

I see the vast majority of users not caring about whether they will or will not be able to change keys. Can they check their email? Browse the web? Look at videos? Listen to music? Play games? Those are the types of relevant questions to the average user and as long as the answers are yes, anything else is of little importance.

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