Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 3rd Jun 2012 22:04 UTC
Windows So, I've been using the Windows 8 Release Preview since it came out, almost exclusively (except for work, since I'm obviously not going to rely on unfinished and untested software for that). I already knew I could get into Metro on my 11.6" ZenBook, but on my 24" desktop, things aren't looking as rosy. Here's an illustrated guide of the most pressing issues I run into, and five suggestions to address them. Instead of just complaining, let's get constructive.
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RE[4]: Unaddressed
by Nelson on Mon 4th Jun 2012 08:25 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Unaddressed"
Nelson
Member since:
2005-11-29


Vista did not shove a new restrictive usability paradigm down on users. The negative reaction to Vista was due to performance, compatibility and under the hood changes. Windows 8 is a totally different kettle of fish.


Oh sure. Vista's DRM was going to herald the end of computing. It was going to take your first born and lock him away in a dungeon.

Aero Glass was never going to be liked, I can't believe they're actually using the graphics card!

Oh, want some more hilarity? People complained they couldn't get the Classic Style start menu in Windows 7.

Fast forward to today, people bitch about Aero going away and the Start Menu (The same one they bitched about a version ago) going away.

Some people are so unbelievably fickle it amazes me.


You mean like how .Net has replaced Win32?


.NET birthed XAML, which is now a core part of the Windows Division. And C# (which runs ontop of .NET) is a first class WinRT citizen.

The WinRT APIs (and the WinRT additions to COM most notably inheritance using IInspectable and aggregation) are clearly inspired by .NET .

C++/CX includes things like Generics, Interfaces, and Partial Classes which come straight from C# .

Oh, and that WinRT thing, the entire bedrock of Windows 8? The metadata format comes directly from .NET . You can use .NET dissasemblers to inspect the WinRT APIs.

So yes, .NET has had a hand in replacing Win32. Of course, over a decade and a half some details change, but the influence is still there.

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RE[5]: Unaddressed
by ichi on Mon 4th Jun 2012 08:57 in reply to "RE[4]: Unaddressed"
ichi Member since:
2007-03-06

Oh, want some more hilarity? People complained they couldn't get the Classic Style start menu in Windows 7.

Fast forward to today, people bitch about Aero going away and the Start Menu (The same one they bitched about a version ago) going away.

Some people are so unbelievably fickle it amazes me.


It's funny when people bring past arguements as if they somehow invalidated current complains.

First they assume that all those complains have been raised by exactly the same individuals that would have been changing their minds through time.

Then they completely ignore that just because someone wants old features back doesn't necesarily mean they were particulary good, maybe it's just that the new ones are worse.

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RE[6]: Unaddressed
by Nelson on Mon 4th Jun 2012 09:03 in reply to "RE[5]: Unaddressed"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

My point is, past is prologue. People are afraid of change, however trivial it might be.

People complained about Aero Glass, before they complained about Luna. Then they complained about how DRM would end the world (Remember the fanatical FSF articles? Yeah, I cringe too.)

With 7 it was the new Taskbar and removal of the classic start menu. (Omg where are my program text labels, the lack of redundant information is killing me!)

Now people love the Taskbar, love Aero, love Windows 7. The same people who dogged Windows XP relentlessly for years, and Vista, and 7 at the time.

People will love Metro. I bet you in ten years, any tweak to Metro will be a travesty.

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RE[5]: Unaddressed
by nt_jerkface on Tue 5th Jun 2012 04:08 in reply to "RE[4]: Unaddressed"
nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

.NET is used more often for new software but most in-house is Win32 by inertia. Win32 isn't dead but .NET is certainly more popular for new projects.

Windows 7 polled well early on but the early feedback on Windows 8 is negative.

You and Sinofsky can live in denial but this OS is going to flop. The polls are dead on, Windows 8 sucks. Enterprise is going to be livid when they are asked to pay for this.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1238259/poll-will-you-buy-windows-8/320

This will be worse than Vista.

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RE[6]: Unaddressed
by Nelson on Tue 5th Jun 2012 07:09 in reply to "RE[5]: Unaddressed"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

This will be worse than Vista.


You mean, Vista, that colossal failure? The same OS which sold 20 MILLION copies in its first month?

The same OS which sold 180 MILLION copies in its first year?

The OS with a total install base of 330 MILLION?

Let's keep things in perspective, maybe Vista got some (arguably unfair) bad PR, but a sales failure it was not. At the time, it was Microsoft's fastest selling PC operating system.

I'm sure Windows 8 will be the same.

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