Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 3rd Jun 2012 22:04 UTC
Windows So, I've been using the Windows 8 Release Preview since it came out, almost exclusively (except for work, since I'm obviously not going to rely on unfinished and untested software for that). I already knew I could get into Metro on my 11.6" ZenBook, but on my 24" desktop, things aren't looking as rosy. Here's an illustrated guide of the most pressing issues I run into, and five suggestions to address them. Instead of just complaining, let's get constructive.
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RE[19]: Comment by gmlongo
by jabbotts on Mon 4th Jun 2012 16:41 UTC in reply to "RE[18]: Comment by gmlongo"
jabbotts
Member since:
2007-09-06

Actually, it's really not that specialized to desire more than one program visible at the same time. The use case is pretty general actually and alt-tab is not the better solution to working with multiple programs at once.

The machine I'm on right now, this browser in foreground with Outlook behind it. I can see email counts coming in and what folders they are filtered into not just *that* I have a new email because the task bar icon appeared and I heard a ding sound.

This machine also frequently shows multiple explorer windows in addition to other programs. I should alt-tab from explorer window to another program where I'm transcribing a path or filename? I should select the address bar and copy the path or f2 the file and copy the name with slow mouse movements instead of simply typing multiple lines of information maybe?

The notebook beside me; currently showing a full screen mail app one one of it's desktops because mail and browsers stacked on top of each other and alt-tab makes sense. desktop 2 is showing four terminal windows because I'm frequently working on more than one SSH'd machine at a time or task at a time. You think maybe I should "reasonably guess" what htop is displaying in a window hidden by what's in the forground? obviously you feel it's OCD to be able to, you know.. see the Conky output of monitored system metrics? Pure insanity that I like to have Task Manager in view at times while working with another program?

Should I take a walk around the office and see what "normal users" are working on? Hey, look at that.. more than one Excel workbook in view at the same time.. wow.. pretty specialized use case. Oh hey, someone building a presentation wanting source content in view while they prepare the slides; another special use case I guess.

"just rely on the popup notices".. he says.. cause if it works for him there must be something wrong with people who do things differently.

(edited to remove a poor choice of ending)

Edited 2012-06-04 16:44 UTC

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RE[20]: Comment by gmlongo
by lucas_maximus on Mon 4th Jun 2012 17:03 in reply to "RE[19]: Comment by gmlongo"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

It not about more than one program visible.

I normally have a browser open, inspector tool, Visual Studio with Tabbed Files open.

What Thom was talking about was things that notified him when he finished or needed intervention ... e.g. IM.

If his criticism was that he couldn't compared the PDF he was reading to what he was writing I would have agreed.

But background tasks ... OH Please and the reasons were entirely of his making.

The other chap, with the remote machines etc did have a point however those sort of tasks belong on the classic desktop ... which isn't going away.

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RE[21]: Comment by gmlongo
by Thom_Holwerda on Mon 4th Jun 2012 17:06 in reply to "RE[20]: Comment by gmlongo"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

But background tasks ... OH Please and the reasons were entirely of his making.


Wait, wait, wait. My reasons for using my computer the way I do were of my own making? NO SHIT. That applies to everyone.

If his criticism was that he couldn't compared the PDF he was reading to what he was writing I would have agreed.


I have actually mentioned that quite often. My entire job depends on this ability, hence why Metro, in its current form, would remove my ability to my job - and that of countless others.

The other chap, with the remote machines etc did have a point however those sort of tasks belong on the classic desktop ... which isn't going away.


Not in Windows 8, no, but the writing is on the wall, and believing otherwise is incredibly naive. Microsoft already made it as cumbersome as they can possibly get away with to use classic applications, so expect the next release to make it an optional install.

Edited 2012-06-04 17:07 UTC

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RE[20]: Comment by gmlongo
by lucas_maximus on Mon 4th Jun 2012 17:13 in reply to "RE[19]: Comment by gmlongo"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Yes because you should be always be able to see HTOP ... I don't ever care how much ram I am using unless my keyboard starts lagging ... it is OCD.

Why do you care how much you CPU is working? As long as you aren't maxing out ... OCD again.

FUCK OFF with "I am monitoring my system resources bullshit". It is a bit of a joke tbh ... We have cheap processors and GPUs that can render graphics using the unreal engine in fucking FLASH ... and you are worried about your HTOP ... PLEASE


It was like the guy who logged onto our Windows 2003 Webserver and was shocked that it was using 73% CPU time for the w3wp.exe process (basically IIS), I was like ... "Website is still working fine? What is the problem".

You do realise that two Excel workbooks don't actually have a different Window they exist in. They exist in the Excel ... sounds like a perfect candidate for metro.

System has mechanisms in place to notify the user when intervention is needed in an action, whether that is a pro up or something else, I rather the computer/program did that for me and saved the processor cycles for making sure I don't use max the thread pool in IIS ;-).

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RE[21]: Comment by gmlongo
by Thom_Holwerda on Mon 4th Jun 2012 17:18 in reply to "RE[20]: Comment by gmlongo"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

You do realise that two Excel workbooks don't actually have a different Window they exist in. They exist in the Excel ... sounds like a perfect candidate for metro.


They do if you tell Excel to do so, as any sane Excel user does.

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