Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 14th Jun 2012 02:49 UTC
Apple After a proper teardown, iFixit concludes that the new MacBook Pro has no user-serviceable parts at all, which some think is a really bad thing. I honestly don't know - I mean, my ZenBook isn't particularly user-serviceable either, and my smartphones, tablets, and whatnot are pretty much entirely soldered together as well. What do you guys make of this?
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should be made clearer
by Lion on Thu 14th Jun 2012 03:12 UTC
Lion
Member since:
2007-03-22

This is something that I could happily live with. But I would need to be aware of it first.
It shouldn't be up to organizations like ifixit to determine this and publish that info. In my experience with laptops it's assumed that the HDD and usually the RAM can be altered later (Personally I have upgraded both in the laptop on which I typed this) and foreknowledge of upgrade-ability or lack thereof would affect my purchasing decision. Either by causing me to spec higher or choose a different machine.

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RE: should be made clearer
by devnet on Thu 14th Jun 2012 03:36 in reply to "should be made clearer"
devnet Member since:
2007-01-16

Dunno how I would feel about this.

If I bought a car that I HAD to get serviced at a specific place and that I couldn't take it anywhere else...nor could I open it up on the off chance I wanted to service it myself...see, I'd like to have the option. I don't necessarily feel the NEED to poke around inside the innards of laptop.

The thing that irritates me most about this is that they REQUIRE you to purchase a new laptop if you want to upgrade (or drop a hefty sum of cash to get the existing one done). I can't believe people would be willing to shell out exorbitant amounts of cash to have this done. It's like price gouging in my opinion...they know people will pay for it and so they MAKE THEM PAY.

The worst part about all of this is Apple turned itself into a vendor of 'Lifestyle' instead of hardware and software. In order to be 'cool' you have to use a Mac. It's funny, I'm a Linux hacker and I can run circles around most people in Linux AND Windows (since I'm a Windows system admin in my day job) and when my son's friends see that I don't have a Mac, they dismiss me as outdated, old, and someone who doesn't know computers. It's become associated with being cool, hip, smart, and in the know and that SUCKS...because it's a misrepresentation and fake. I think I hate this idea more than any other out there. Unfortunately, it's ingrained in people my sons age (he's in high school) and they're pretty much brain washed to accept this ideology as fact. Sad times when a 2200 dollar laptop is what separates cool/smart from not cool/dumb. I feel bad for poor people (and thus, subsequently, I feel bad for myself as I am middle class poor).

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RE[2]: should be made clearer
by zima on Thu 14th Jun 2012 04:05 in reply to "RE: should be made clearer"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

WRT to the 2nd half of your post, devnet - I think I stopped endorsing (as in, recommending to others) Apple products, stopped considering them for purchase, not so much because of any moves by the company itself ...but to deliberately avoid being associated with, counted among the kind of people that you mention.

(but then, it's not nearly so widespread at my place, and Apple products are quite rare; which seemingly makes the fanatics more, well, fanatical...)

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RE[2]: should be made clearer
by Hussein on Thu 14th Jun 2012 11:29 in reply to "RE: should be made clearer"
Hussein Member since:
2008-11-22

It's called every modern car. At least the high end models you have near zero chance to service them yourself.

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RE[2]: should be made clearer
by clasqm on Fri 15th Jun 2012 07:49 in reply to "RE: should be made clearer"
clasqm Member since:
2010-09-23

Where you live, devnet, can you still buy cars with carburettors? How about points & condensors? Do they still come with hand cranks? Or do you drive a car with electronic fuel injection, electronic ignition and an electric starter just like everybody else? None of which is user-serviceable unless you have degrees in electrical engineering.

In fact, you DO have to take your Ford in to a Ford dealer for a service if you need anything more than an oil change and new spark plugs. The VW dealer won't have the correct diagnostic machine to connect to the electrics and exhaust pipe.

Anybody fix their own refrigerator when it packs up? Install your own TV cable? Grow all your own food? One out of three, maybe.

No doubt anyone who is sufficiently motivated can learn to do any ONE of those things. Just as we have taken the trouble to learn how computers fit together. But for every one of us, there are a thousand customers out there who don't care, who just want something they can switch on. And that's where the money is.

The amazing thing is how long it has taken for the computer industry to catch up with the rest of the world. Apple is ahead of the curve: five years from now, all computers will be built this way. Enjoy being able to tinker with your machines. It won't be much longer.

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RE: should be made clearer
by zima on Thu 14th Jun 2012 03:40 in reply to "should be made clearer"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

Hey, it's "just" 200 USD for the additional 8 GiB of RAM, at the time of purchase (probably closer to ~300 USD equivalent in my neck of the woods).

I suppose Apple can be only happy from blocking those who were always avoiding the "official" exorbitant RAM upgrade prices...

At least the baseline 8 GiB is quite high, so no big deal, for now (except, yeah, to those who won't realize they can't upgrade later; or when soldered RAM will become the norm in "budget" laptops; all while a late-in-life RAM upgrade is the most important thing in keeping an old machine usable - even a decade-old one can be perfectly fine, as long as it's maxed out on RAM)

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RE[2]: should be made clearer
by yfph on Thu 14th Jun 2012 08:36 in reply to "RE: should be made clearer"
yfph Member since:
2009-09-03

At least the baseline 8 GiB is quite high, so no big deal, for now (except, yeah, to those who won't realize they can't upgrade later; or when soldered RAM will become the norm in "budget" laptops; all while a late-in-life RAM upgrade is the most important thing in keeping an old machine usable - even a decade-old one can be perfectly fine, as long as it's maxed out on RAM)
Yeah but what happens if the RAM becomes faulty after expiration of Apple's typical 1-yr limited warranty?

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RE[2]: should be made clearer
by jptros on Thu 14th Jun 2012 12:51 in reply to "RE: should be made clearer"
jptros Member since:
2005-08-26

At least the baseline 8 GiB is quite high, so no big deal


One would think but it's not all that much with Lion and thus probably not the upcoming Mountain Lion either. 8 should be what any mac running Lion and up ships with because 4 (which is what my late '11 MBP came with) is quite disappointing.

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