Linked by nej_simon on Wed 4th Jul 2012 22:05 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless The only MeeGo device to ever be released, the Nokia N9, has been updated to MeeGo/Harmattan 1.3. Among the improvements are improved performance, updated applications, improved NFC support, improved copy/paste, and more. In other news, the team behind MeeGo and Maemo is now leaving Nokia, probably making this the last update for the N9.
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RE[4]: Comment by shmerl
by dsmogor on Thu 5th Jul 2012 10:29 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by shmerl"
dsmogor
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2005-09-01

I can't pose as an objective observer but in my book Maemo 6 truped all those efforts:
1. WebOs - poor hardware, no existing software library , no ecosystem elements (like maps, music), no real IDE, lack of experience in mobile marketing, lack of international sales.
2. Bada - poor user experience, not really scalable, poor SDK
3. BB10 - 1.5 year later.

Nokia had most elements to get it going + carrier relationships + sales + brand + beautiful UI and Hardware + beefy China Mobile partnership that itself would keep it afloat. The OS is scalable both ways (N9 class hw can be dirt cheap nowadays).
I believe it was definitely a the most real danger to MS plans on mobile esp. that now it's evident that WP7 was just an empty shell compared to real oses like IOS, Android and Maemo.

Edited 2012-07-05 10:33 UTC

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RE[5]: Comment by shmerl
by henderson101 on Thu 5th Jul 2012 10:35 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by shmerl"
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2006-05-30

(N9 class hw can be dirt cheap nowadays).


Are you sure? The N9 has 1GB RAM for a start, so it's not entry level by any measure. Maemo was slow on low spec/low memory footprint devices (as seen by all the devices up to the N900.)

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RE[6]: Comment by shmerl
by dsmogor on Thu 5th Jul 2012 10:49 in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by shmerl"
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2005-09-01

I meant the CPU, it's just an old 1ghz TI with a s*tty GPU, sth. along 1st gen WP devices.
1GB ram could be a more tough matter, but given that Maemo supports swap I believe they could trim it.

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RE[5]: Comment by shmerl
by cdude on Thu 5th Jul 2012 11:09 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by shmerl"
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2008-09-21

I believe it was definitely a the most real danger to MS plans on mobile esp. that now it's evident that WP7 was just an empty shell compared to real oses like IOS, Android and Maemo.


I think too and so did lots of the analysts back then. That MeeGo would find a permanent place among the top ecosystems was not a question. The question was only how well it would do against Android and iphone.

I think Microsoft saw the danger that yet another mobile ecosystem that even is compatible with Android to a certain degree, would emerge, land and find its place.

I think it played definitively a role during the negotiations with Nokia. They would not only win a needed WP-partner but would also kill of a competing system the same time. Well, in fact even two competing systems if you assume that Elop also sold the Symbian-kill[1] to Microsoft.

[1] What is auto-included if your partnership means exclusive focus on WP then it also means everything else is gone. Today we are more or less sure that the exclusiveness was part of the deal. That's the only explanation.

Edited 2012-07-05 11:13 UTC

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RE[6]: Comment by shmerl
by zima on Thu 5th Jul 2012 13:14 in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by shmerl"
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2005-07-06

I think too and so did lots of the analysts back then. That MeeGo would find a permanent place among the top ecosystems was not a question.

And how many of those "analysts" (perhaps the first four letters say it all...) said pretty much the same thing about WebOS, Bada, Windows Phone?
How many claimed that iOS or Android would struggle?

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RE[5]: Comment by shmerl
by zima on Thu 5th Jul 2012 13:32 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by shmerl"
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2005-07-06

1. WebOs - poor hardware, no existing software library , no ecosystem elements (like maps, music), no real IDE, lack of experience in mobile marketing, lack of [...] sales

Looks pretty much like Maemo... especially since there's more to ecosystem than maps and music (and BTW, Nokia efforts with the latter also faltered, Maemo maps app was neglected, and lack of in-house maps doesn't seem to harm most manufacturers). IDE situation one way or the other didn't seem to make a difference for devs (but BTW, they happily embraced Android even though the development for it was a bit awkward), and Nokia marketing efforts don't seem to work out too well for some time now (despite massive funds)

Bada is also closer analogy than you make it to be (and it doesn't have particularly poor user experience, it's essentially a more basic Touchwiz, which scales all across Samsung's spectrum of devices). But the best...

3. BB10 - 1.5 year later.

Yeah, pretty much like with Maemo / Meego, at minimum.

The OS is scalable both ways (N9 class hw can be dirt cheap nowadays).

And what does it change WRT its potential market performance? (anyway, Android and WP also go pretty low, even lower, when it comes to hw)

I believe it was definitely a the most real danger to MS plans on mobile

Seriously, this is the kind of magical thinking I point out. The Android and iOS were (and are) a real danger (and that Nokia will go with the former), Meego was hardly on the radar.
You yourself write in the post just above that Android took over.

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RE[6]: Comment by shmerl
by dsmogor on Thu 5th Jul 2012 20:03 in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by shmerl"
dsmogor Member since:
2005-09-01

>Looks pretty much like Maemo... especially since >there's more to ecosystem than maps and music
Does it? I think I outlined the differences quite clear.
Want to know other ecosystem elements? Here you are:
- payment (including carrier billing that nobody else had)
- advertising
- app store ( biggest when you remove Google and Apple, absolutely biggest in non-english speaking countries).
As for the looks, well you don't want to compare Nokia industrial design skill HP, do you? True, HP phones weren't

>IDE situation one way or the other didn't seem to make a difference for devs -
as long as some basic standards are met you're right, however I don't think I have seen any decent JS ide that could live up to C++ and Java standards. As for Bada I can't really say. Their C++ library seems to be quite old fashioned.

>And what does it change WRT its potential market performance? (anyway, Android and WP also go pretty low, even lower, when it comes to hw)

WP7 downscalling comes at price of basic functionality.
Remember that in general QT ecosystem included Symbian who would cover low ends that WP (and Android) will not touch for a long time.

> The Android and iOS were (and are) a real danger (and that Nokia will go with the former), Meego was hardly on the radar.
Of course it's not, it haven't even started.
IOS and Android are and will dominate for years to come. I was talking about the race for 3rd ecosystem. Nokia made a big mistake to treat N900 as an experiment. However, by the time N9 arrived (initially Q1 2011) they could have a shot.

> Seriously, this is the kind of magical thinking I point out.
What amount of magic thinking made Elop bet the farm on MS stopgap, smartphone like OS, that was obsoleted 0.5 year after their decision? What amount of it made so called analysts predict 20% market share for it by now?

Edited 2012-07-05 20:04 UTC

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