Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 6th Jul 2012 22:42 UTC
Mozilla & Gecko clones Mozilla has announced it's ceasing development on Thunderbird; one more version will be released, and it'll be security updates from then on. "Most Thunderbird users seem happy with the basic email feature set. In parallel, we have seen the rising popularity of Web-based forms of communications representing email alternatives to a desktop solution. Given this, focusing on stability for Thunderbird and driving innovation through other offerings seems a natural choice." Makes sense - I mean, there's only so much you can do with something that needs to send and receive mail, and I can't imagine Thunderbird having a lot of users. Strange, almost Microsoftian obtuse announcement, by the way.
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RE[2]: I don't like this trend
by maccouch on Sat 7th Jul 2012 00:52 UTC in reply to "RE: I don't like this trend"
maccouch
Member since:
2012-03-14


It seems you in turn are implying that being able to read/search your inbox and/or view your attachments when outside is of no interest to anyone.
Meanwhile, people do like that option, access on any computer (whether or not that's always wise is another issue; but they do like it), and/or on more than one of their personal devices.


You seem to have the impression that using a desktop client somehow forbids having the email on your webserver and easy accessible trhough other computers. It doesn't. if you use IMAP, the desktop client and server just behave like a mirror of each other. I have most of my email on my webserver, sent email, trash, INbox, other sub folders. And have exactly the same folders with the same email on my destkop client... (a lot of selected email i store at my mac only, for safety. But until i use my laptop to check it, then it's still there on the web )

I just prefer to use the client because i can do more, get easy warning of new email, offline acces and other accounts which i can't or i'm not supposed to forward or store on other server/company.



They like having all their mail in one, easily accessible "place" that is not dependent on them constantly carrying their laptop around. It probably seemed crazy to them to be forced to use ugly local clients to manage their messages... (judging from how email usage apparently exploded with availability of decent webmails, how that's the mode of choice for most users)


i agree with you but most people are morons... (sorry to say that). Webmail is good if you use it for facebook and cat pics sends. If you use it for any resemblance of a profession, webmail is definitely not the way to go. Not that it can't be done, just that it shouldn't.

Consulting your email on random computers is a security risk waiting to happen. If some one gets to your cat pics , no problem. If they get to your bank reset password email or other financial security info, then big problem. But as you said, the wisdom of such option is not relevant to this discussion. (it should, but then we would be back at "most people are morons..)

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RE[3]: I don't like this trend
by zima on Sat 7th Jul 2012 01:06 in reply to "RE[2]: I don't like this trend"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

Sure (and I do prefer having it like that, with local IMAP copy of my email account at least on my main PC - a copy which for me includes also IM BTW), I was just pointing out how the priorities taken here by some posters for granted ...aren't actually very universal.

People at large are generally happy just with webmail (and not because they are "morons"... it's just perfectly sufficient and convenient to the way they use it; but I did point out myself security risks of one usage variant), don't seem to care to bother with local clients.

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Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

i agree with you but most people are morons...

If you use it for any resemblance of a profession, webmail is definitely not the way to go. Not that it can't be done, just that it shouldn't.


The same could be said about people who think that using a thick desktop client makes you more professional.

Consulting your email on random computers is a security risk waiting to happen.


Using a desktop client does not make it any less of a security risk though. In fact, it makes it more of a security risk in some ways since all your emails are stored unencrypted on your disk.

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MasterChief Member since:
2012-06-20

Hum, so it is simple to steal a desktop computer, than your webmail password and acess all your mails??

You live in a very dangerous country....

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maccouch Member since:
2012-03-14


The same could be said about people who think that using a thick desktop client makes you more professional.


It doesn't make *you* more professional, but it is better for the exercise of your profession. I can give you several advantages of having a desktop client as a professional:
+ It allows you having every budget, project file and workplan while offline (on trips, off site, while the company internet is down)
+ it allows you to keep doing your work while offline (you need to send a mail/work to your colleagues you can keep writing it and adding stuff, whith no change to the workflow whatsoever and the desktop client will send it when there's connectivity, no problem whatsoever.
+ it allows you a local addressbook & local calendar, that other applications can use.
+ it allows easy "new mail" notifications without me frequently checking my browser or losing some time sensitive information
+ it allows simple adding of mail info to other programs such as calendar. most desktop clients recognize specific info and allow you to act on it with other program (outlook on that kind of stuff is pretty amazing)
+ it allows for easy writing or consultation of different emails (you can do that with browser tabs obviously, but i find more practical to have a tiny window of text that an full sized browser window with all the extra "cruft" a browser has)
+ it allows for easy and time stamped backup of your email as part of the normal and scheduled desktop backup. No dependency of other company security policy
+ it allows you a "handmade" easy backup by just copying the mail folders/archives to a dvd or cd.
+ this is highly personal but i find myself much less "distracted" if i don't have the browser running. For many no "normal" internet is a productivity enhancer
+ You can easily store each emails as single files (on most programs you just drag the message to the desktop and .eml file is created there. Great for creating a comprehensive "single issue" folders.

maybe there are more, i don't know or remember all, but apart of having your email accessible from every browser, which you can still do if you're using a desktop client, can you give me any advantage of using a web based email interface for use in a "professional environment" ?



Using a desktop client does not make it any less of a security risk though. In fact, it makes it more of a security risk in some ways since all your emails are stored unencrypted on your disk.


I don't know about you but my home folder is encrypted as are my passwords storage. Most medium to large size companies also buy full disk encryption software to use in all their portable computers. And i would probably guess that the probability of having one of several random computer that i could use infected with a keylogger is probably much bigger than the probability of someone having physical access to my desktop/laptop that probably sits most of the time at corporate locations.

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maccouch Member since:
2012-03-14

i just went to the gmail web interface (i mostly don't use gmail any more) and, using chrome, i couldn't even find a way of right clicking on a email and opening in a new tab!? wtf? i remember that i used to be able to do that, but not any more?!

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Gooberslot Member since:
2006-08-02

Using a desktop client does not make it any less of a security risk though. In fact, it makes it more of a security risk in some ways since all your emails are stored unencrypted on your disk.


All my emails are stored encrypted on disk and backed up. Way more secure than webmail.

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twitterfire Member since:
2008-09-11


Consulting your email on random computers is a security risk waiting to happen. If some one gets to your cat pics , no problem. If they get to your bank reset password email or other financial security info, then big problem. But as you said, the wisdom of such option is not relevant to this discussion. (it should, but then we would be back at "most people are morons..)


Well, hacking into web based e-mail accounts is easy if you're good at data mining / getting dox online or you crack another site where the person does have an account (many people use same password for multiple accounts on multiple servers ;) )

But hacking into people computers can be easy, too. I'm talking about average Joe's computer or average's company mail server. If you use high security environments/proper secured servers that's another story.

I think that to protect very sensitive data, having highly secured servers are a must but might not be enough because 0days can always exist in the wild or someone can find an exploit & not publish it. I I'd have to protect some highly sensitive data I would use encryption, too. If I would be paranoic and think Google or The Man (NSA, KGB, Mossad, Men in Black) can crack regular algorithms such as DES, Rjindael, RC5, AES (might be true) I would waste 1 year or 2 or hire someone and write my own encryption algorithm.

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