Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 9th Jul 2012 22:05 UTC, submitted by Mbg
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless Sorry for the delay in writing a story about this, but here we finally are: Nokia's MeeGo (or Maemo or whatever it's called this hour) is getting its successor. Yes, MeeGo, the short-lived but beloved platform running on the unicorn phone, the Nokia N9, will continue onwards in a slightly different form. Its new home? Jolla - a company formed by former Nokia chief operating officer Marc Dillon, who was the principal engineer for MeeGo/Maemo at Nokia since 2006.
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RE[7]: New Phone
by cdude on Thu 12th Jul 2012 08:10 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: New Phone"
cdude
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As I wrote its very likely an advertising method.

Usually only a single digit percent of those who bought a Lumia care to give feedback, to participate at surveys or rate them in web formulas.

An example would be the 90% satisfaction-rate for Lumia sold in the Chinese market which was the result of only 16 people giving feedback at all (single digit % of the very less who bought the Lumia indicating that the whole "Lumia sells better then iphone in China" story is bs, just another advertising method).

I would not go as far to suggest that anyone, Nokia or Microsoft, would manipulate them. But I think hard-core fanboys, employees and partners[1], etc. may a bigger chunk of those who care to rate.

Or do you think all those who bring back there Lumia to the shops and get e.g. an Android as replacement bother to spend later time rating the Lumia?

I think hard numbers, like return rates or sells, are way more accurate then web formula surveys. Also cause the last time I did participate at such a survey it was enough to press the reload-button on my browser to vote multiple times as single person. Let alone that I did not even had to prove that I was using the product I voted for.

Just have a look at the Lumia sells and you get an impression how well it does in the market, how well its received and how satisfied users are[2]. That is not only more accurate but also what counts at the end of the day. When you do so also not forget that currently Lumia are very cheap (1 cent at amazon whereas it was 100 Dollar some months ago), do not forget the Lumia discount, the free xbox bundled with them or the millions of $ spend on advertising.

Soon Nokia will publish there Q2 numbers and then we have the hard facts. Expect the worst.

[1] A very big contingent of Lumia where given away to employees and ATT sales dudes for free. I think I would be satisfied with a free Lumia too but would be rather upset when paying hundreds of $ to realize some weeks afterwards that my shiny new toy is already outdated, unsupported and won't get the super-great new Windows 8 all are talking about.

[2] A good satisfaction would mean people would suggest the Lumia to there friends which would increase sells. Those writing articles reviewing the Lumia would be satisfied too (or are they so different from "normal customers" that they get totaly another impression?) and would write very good reviews. Neither happened.

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RE[8]: New Phone
by Nelson on Fri 13th Jul 2012 09:20 in reply to "RE[7]: New Phone"
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2005-11-29

As I wrote its very likely an advertising method.

Usually only a single digit percent of those who bought a Lumia care to give feedback, to participate at surveys or rate them in web formulas.


I think in general, overall there have been high satisfaction rates with Windows Phone, naturally extending to the Lumia line. I question the wisdom of dismissing it as too small a sample to be statistically relevant.


An example would be the 90% satisfaction-rate for Lumia sold in the Chinese market which was the result of only 16 people giving feedback at all (single digit % of the very less who bought the Lumia indicating that the whole "Lumia sells better then iphone in China" story is bs, just another advertising method).


And I don't think I even specified China, and in fact, wasn't even aware of that. A sample that small would be misleading, sure, but that's the exact opposite of what I did.


I would not go as far to suggest that anyone, Nokia or Microsoft, would manipulate them. But I think hard-core fanboys, employees and partners[1], etc. may a bigger chunk of those who care to rate.


I think this is starting to get a little too conspiracy theory-ish for my tastes.


Or do you think all those who bring back there Lumia to the shops and get e.g. an Android as replacement bother to spend later time rating the Lumia?


I still think you should provide a source for the supposed "high return rates" you keep citing. I caution you though, I did a search for such a source and turned up nothing which led back to hard numbers.

In fact, there is actually an article in the UK quoting an Operator Exec saying that Windows Phone had the lowest return rates of all mobile OSes.


Just have a look at the Lumia sells and you get an impression how well it does in the market, how well its received and how satisfied users are[2]. That is not only more accurate but also what counts at the end of the day. When you do so also not forget that currently Lumia are very cheap (1 cent at amazon whereas it was 100 Dollar some months ago), do not forget the Lumia discount, the free xbox bundled with them or the millions of $ spend on advertising.


I think sales are just what's most numerically convenient for you. Sales of Lumia devices have been growing Quarter over Quarter since they've been announced, and next week is expected to show that they grew again in Q2.


Soon Nokia will publish there Q2 numbers and then we have the hard facts. Expect the worst.


Here's what I expect:

They will announce Lumia sales have grown (which all tea leaves point to that being true) and that their profit has fallen off of a cliff. That much is obvious. They've been on this trajectory since 2010 (Since before Elop was even a CEO long enough to have an effect)

All this means is they still have work to do. Doesn't really say much about the Lumia line.

Actually, maybe it does. It says hey, the Lumia isn't as strong enough a performer to offset the complete and utter collapse of Symbian sales.

Its a painful transition, but it'd probably happened with the Android, MeeGo, or anyone else. Look at the 2010/2011 figures and you'll see just the dire situation Nokia was in. It was a full on nosedive.

Completely unrelated to Windows Phone or the Lumia series, and to say anything contrary is being intellectually dishonest.


[1] A very big contingent of Lumia where given away to employees and ATT sales dudes for free. I think I would be satisfied with a free Lumia too but would be rather upset when paying hundreds of $ to realize some weeks afterwards that my shiny new toy is already outdated, unsupported and won't get the super-great new Windows 8 all are talking about.


So you're saying that this number (in the tens of thousands) is statistically relevant when talking about millions of devices?


[2] A good satisfaction would mean people would suggest the Lumia to there friends which would increase sells. Those writing articles reviewing the Lumia would be satisfied too (or are they so different from "normal customers" that they get totaly another impression?) and would write very good reviews. Neither happened.


The Lumia has reviewed decently well, and most reviews point out shortcomings in Windows Phone, not something inherent to the design of the Lumia itself. These are things that have been known.

Sales, in particular the mobile sales channel, is a very complex beast. Smartphones hardly ever win on merit in this cutthroat market. Its a combination of a lot of things.

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