Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 26th Jul 2012 00:28 UTC
Games Valve's Gabe Newall on Linux and Windows 8: "We want to make it as easy as possible for the 2500 games on Steam to run on Linux as well. It's a hedging strategy. I think Windows 8 is a catastrophe for everyone in the PC space. I think we'll lose some of the top-tier PC/OEMs, who will exit the market. I think margins will be destroyed for a bunch of people. If that's true, then it will be good to have alternatives to hedge against that eventuality."
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RE[3]: Interesting but wrong
by bassbeast on Thu 26th Jul 2012 07:53 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Interesting but wrong"
bassbeast
Member since:
2007-11-11

But both you and MSFT seem to be ignoring that big fat elephant in the room friend. PCs? Is a mature market because both AMD and Intel went past "good enough" and into "insanely overpowered" years ago and the average person? Can't even stress a 5 year old chip. Its a mature market where people don't replace until they die which with Ballmer flushing billions on his harebrained schemes simply won't cut it which is why they've posted their first loss in history.

Lets use my dad as an example, because while i could use one of my customers frankly my dad is the perfect example of the "typical PC user". He has 3 PCs, a desktop at work, at home, and a laptop, and his use cases are about as bog standard as they come. He runs quickbooks at work and on both the work and home units as well as the lap he surfs, watches YouTube, chats, reads his webmail, bog standard stuff everyone does.

About 3 and a half years ago I replaced his aging desktop with one of those "ZOMG $199 quad!" Tiger kits, its a 2.1 Phenom I quad with now 4Gb of RAM, about the lowest end quad you can possibly get, what have I found? he has YET to hit 45% CPU usage! I monitored him for over a month recently to see how it was doing and frankly he just can't come up with enough useful work to stress what is now a 5 year old chip. I found the same when I checked his Core 2 based Pentium dual at the shop, he's just not able to come up with enough useful work to slam that chip, highest he got was 60% when a tab hung.

So MSFT needs to accept they are the new IBM, a company with a mature market that while it won't go away will never be the big seller it was in the days of the MHz wars, or they need to spin off mobile, call it MetroOS or whatever, and let them innovate without being tied into the legacy of the desktop.

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

The loss was from writing off an acquisition ... it is technical loss not a real one.

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RE[5]: Interesting but wrong
by bassbeast on Thu 26th Jul 2012 17:08 in reply to "RE[4]: Interesting but wrong"
bassbeast Member since:
2007-11-11

Tell me something friend...how much money has Ballmer REALLY pissed away on "bad acquisitions"? 20 billion? 30 billion? The simple fact is we don't know how much they've lost because Ballmer can play 3 card monty with the profits from various divisions and cover his failings.

I mean look at the X360 for example, can you tell me whether they've made a profit yet or not? Oh they SAY they've been in the black for a couple of years, but did that include the 2 billion plus writeoff from the RRoD fiasco? What about the R&D costs? The costs of the Xbox 1?

That is the problem with MSFT in a nutshell, you simply can't tell WTF is going on in a giant monolith of a company like that. In a way they remind me of the old AOL when dialup was dying, they had all these products, some did great like WinAMP, some did poorly like Netscape after V4, but since they tried their damnedest to tie everything into "the service" you couldn't separate the good from the bad until the company was practically DOA.

Ballmer has been spending money like Charlie Sheen on a coke binge at a porn convention but now that PCs are a mature market he simply doesn't have the revenue to cover it up anymore. How much was the final bill for the Zune? The Kin? Sidekick? Maybe now that he can't play 3 card monty and hope the Windows and office divisions can cover his gambling maybe we'll see him have some fiscal restraint, but I doubt it. Be prepared for more "technical losses' from now on as Ballmer refuses to quit blowing cash trying to be Apple.

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RE[5]: Interesting but wrong
by JAlexoid on Fri 27th Jul 2012 03:54 in reply to "RE[4]: Interesting but wrong"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

The loss was from writing off an acquisition ... it is technical loss not a real one.

It's a factual loss. It's as real as you burning a few $100 bills.

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RE[4]: Interesting but wrong
by BushLin on Thu 26th Jul 2012 18:17 in reply to "RE[3]: Interesting but wrong"
BushLin Member since:
2011-01-26

I'm not arguing the crux of what you've written but MS only made a $500m loss due to writing off $6bn from a failed advertising venture.

Also, if you're measuring total CPU load across all cores then it's not surprising that your Dad's mostly single threaded software doesn't stress all the cores.

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RE[4]: Interesting but wrong
by Fergy on Fri 27th Jul 2012 17:48 in reply to "RE[3]: Interesting but wrong"
Fergy Member since:
2006-04-10

he has YET to hit 45% CPU usage!

I find it hard to believe he only used 90% cpu power. Most of the time starting an app peaks your cpu to 100%. There is a big difference between having enough cpu power and having enough cores. Most users can use 2 cores one foreground and one background. But if you could have a single core 6Ghz i3 most users would notice if you couple it to an ssd.

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RE[5]: Interesting but wrong
by zima on Mon 30th Jul 2012 03:48 in reply to "RE[4]: Interesting but wrong"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

45% of quad.

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