Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 27th Jul 2012 12:41 UTC
Gnome Honest question. Do you think the GNOME project is as healthy today as it was, say, 4 years ago? Benjamin Otte explains that no, it isn't. GNOME lacks developers, goals, mindshare and users. The situation as he describes it, is a lot more dire than I personally thought.
Thread beginning with comment 528614
To view parent comment, click here.
To read all comments associated with this story, please click here.
uteck
Member since:
2006-07-16

Soulbender said:
Uh, what are you talking about? Connecting to wireless or any other network using network-manager does not require root and it never has.

Obviously you just type your password into any box that asks for it. Try creating a new account without sudo rights and see how far you get.

Here are a few discussions about this issue so you can read the even Linus has hit this 'feature' when setting up his daughters laptop.”I first spent weeks arguing on a bugzilla that the security policy of requiring the root password for changing the timezone and adding a new wireless network was moronic and wrong.”
https://plus.google.com/102150693225130002912/posts/1vyfmNCYpi5

And from the Suse forum:
“Previously, network definitions were kept in your local user files. Now they are being kept centrally in a root owned directory. That change is reasonable. But requiring the root password to setup a connection is just a bad idea.
You are at a coffee shop. You want to connect to their wireless. So you have to give the root password at a place where everything you do is being videotaped. Not good.”
http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-technical-help-here/install-...

And the Ubuntu forum posts about it:
“In Ubuntu 11.10, I've created a standard (non admin) user account. That user is unable to connect to a wireless network via wireless manager without an administrator authenticating.
Seems like it's trying to add the connection for all users.
http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1873477.html

Edited 2012-07-28 01:50 UTC

Reply Parent Score: 6

Gone fishing Member since:
2006-02-22

Obviously you just type your password into any box that asks for it. Try creating a new account without sudo rights and see how far you get.


You shouldn't be able to create delete accounts without admin privileges - do you think you should? I'm with Soulbender on this one.

The need to to have admin privileges to join a wireless network was an Opensuse problem (KDE is the default desktop) I guess related to YAST, not a Gnome 3 problem.

Obviously if you are going to change network settings across multiple users (such as changing the default wireless) you need admin privilege so obviously a non-admin account is not going to be able to do it and rightly so.

You seem to be talking nonsense or perhaps you like the way Windows 9x works?

Edited 2012-07-28 09:12 UTC

Reply Parent Score: -1

Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

On my Windows 7 laptop, even a user on the Guest account can connect to a wireless network without needing my password or the Admin password; the user would only need to know the router's wireless passphrase or WPS key. On my old Mac mini it was the same way; connecting to a wireless network shouldn't involve local security at all. That's what WiFi encryption and passphrases are there for.

Or to put it another way, would you want to have to enter your root password every time you plugged in an Ethernet cable?

Reply Parent Score: 3

Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Obviously you just type your password into any box that asks for it


No I dont because I never get asked for a root password when connecting to wireless networks.

Try creating a new account without sudo rights and see how far you get.


I have accounts without admin rights that has no problem connecting. They're never asked for a password or root credentials. This has been the case since I started using Ubuntu many years ago.

And from the Suse forum:


That's a problem specific to SuSE, not GNOME or network-manager.

Seems like it's trying to add the connection for all users.


Yes to add the connection for ALL users you obviously need admin rights. The solution is simple, uncheck the proper check box. The fact that the default in Ubuntu 11.10 was "wrong" has nothing to do with network-manager or Gnome. Bugs happen.

Network-manager does not need root privs to connect to wireless networks or any other networks.

Reply Parent Score: 3