Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 27th Jul 2012 12:41 UTC
Gnome Honest question. Do you think the GNOME project is as healthy today as it was, say, 4 years ago? Benjamin Otte explains that no, it isn't. GNOME lacks developers, goals, mindshare and users. The situation as he describes it, is a lot more dire than I personally thought.
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RE[3]: Well
by cdude on Sun 29th Jul 2012 02:56 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Well"
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You can apply that logic also, for example, to XFCE when it wins the Linux Desktop race but you happen to be WindowManager fan.

Android is a Linux based opensource product. You can take it, change it, remove/add/edit code and redistribute when you are not happy about whatever.

Face it, Android is "us" and you have the freedom to make it "me" by e.g. forking. Do it if you like but not complain if you don't. If you rather like to work on a compitor then, by all means, do that but not complain "Android is not we" when your compitor does not gain similar marketshare since what you really mean is "Android is not my invention" what is a huge difference.

Edited 2012-07-29 03:05 UTC

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RE[4]: Well
by BluenoseJake on Sun 29th Jul 2012 03:47 in reply to "RE[3]: Well"
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Uh, no, not really. XFCE is developed by a group of volunteers, who seem to want to build a pretty good desktop environment. Android is developed by Google, who want to know everything there possibly is to know about you so they can make money for their shareholders by selling ads.

I'll take the volunteers over the corporate overlords any day of the week.

Oh, and while I write some code for work now and then, to think that me, or most of the people who use Android could possibly fork the code and manage a distribution with all the data mining cleaned out, well, that's just absurd.

I'd even take MS over Google when it comes to desktop operating systems, at least MS is watched to closely to get away with anything. Everyone just trusts Google as they sit back and watch everything you do.

Edited 2012-07-29 03:50 UTC

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RE[5]: Well
by cdude on Sun 29th Jul 2012 18:02 in reply to "RE[4]: Well"
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Android is the base for lot of projects run completely by volunteers who offer modified Android versions for hardware not even the manufactors themself support any longer. Most code in Android was or is done by communities, volunteers, other companies then google. That are facts.

As I wrote: if the problem is that its not you controlling development then fork it. Android is FLOSS so you can!

You also seem to confuse Android with Google Ads and draw somehow the conclusion Android is unfree. I still do not follow you on that but like to ask you something related: The SELinux security-framework was done by the NSA. They know lots about you and me. More then google and Microsoft combined cause they have access to there data and much more. So, is Linux unfree for you too?

Also would it become free/us if you fork Android? If yes, then something is wrong in your logic. If not, why not?

You claim forking is absurd cause nobody can remove all the "data mining" from Android? Do you try to be serious or is that a joke? If you try to be serious and now that we know you CAN code, please point me to one single file in Android JB that contains data mining. There must be billions if they cannot be removed. But personally I think you just have no clue what you are talking about (actually I know you not have cause I know the Android code). Please prove me wrong by providing one single link to a source file. Only one.

But it becomes better. You would take MS over Android? A closed system where you not even have access to the sourcecode, cannot control, cannot fork, have no control, rights or possibilities at all? Muhaha. What a bad joke.

Edited 2012-07-29 18:19 UTC

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