Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 8th Aug 2012 18:45 UTC
Games Valve has just announced it will start selling applications through Steam. "The Software titles coming to Steam range from creativity to productivity. Many of the launch titles will take advantage of popular Steamworks features, such as easy installation, automatic updating, and the ability to save your work to your personal Steam Cloud space so your files may travel with you. More Software titles will be added in an ongoing fashion following the September 5th launch, and developers will be welcome to submit Software titles via Steam Greenlight." I feel like a broken record at this point, but guys and girls, Valve is going to release specifications for a 'Steambox'. A set of minimum specifications a Linux or Windows machine has to adhere to, either self-built or by an OEM. Steam pre-installed, can be used as regular PC and as a console. With Windows 8 locking itself down, this is their only option - and I applaud it.
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RE[7]: Package management
by ilovebeer on Thu 9th Aug 2012 21:14 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Package management"
ilovebeer
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2011-08-08

I don't believe my Windows is slow - in fact I know it isn't my Windows is actually quite fast as it doesn't have loads of crap installed, just NOD AV, Office and a couple of other Windows only apps, the update on Windows I am talking about is normal, so lets not pretend it isn't.

If regular updates is taking your system that long, then your system is slow. Thinking otherwise is the only pretending going on here. I have several Windows 7 boxes with various hardware configurations and none are as slow as you claim.

Now on Ubuntu updating is great I'm warned of updates (to the whole system apps and all). I click update and it updates I can run other apps whilst this is happening and my boot up and shut down are not effected at all. Linux/Ubuntu is great you should try it.

What exactly are you trying to say here? That Windows users can't run apps while an update is going on? If so, that's completely false.

Btw, I also have several Linux boxes. However, I have absolutely no interest in Ubuntu and very little interest in Linux desktops -- they just don't measure up in my opinion.

Ubuntu and other Linux have problems one of them is lack of apps such as games, this valve steam news is very interesting, I'm not absolutely opposed to proprietary software and am interested to see where this goes.

When I said Linux has it's own big problems & annoyances, I wasn't referring to lack of games -- though that is one of them (for many people) as you pointed out. I was talking about more technical issues for example, constant breakage & regressions, and dependency hell (which is in many cases absolutely pathetic). There's a lot of laziness in Linux and it definitely shows.

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RE[8]: Package management
by Nth_Man on Fri 10th Aug 2012 13:37 in reply to "RE[7]: Package management"
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2010-05-16

What exactly are you trying to say here? That Windows users can't run apps while an update is going on? If so, that's completely false.

He's talking about updates really happening when a Windows computer is being shut down, and later when it's booted (Windows tells you to wait). In that time the user cannot do anything.

constant breakage & regressions, and dependency hell (which is in many cases absolutely pathetic).

I'm using Kubuntu for years, in several computers and virtual machines, and it doesn't have what you say.
I don't update from one version of Kubuntu to another, I do clean installs. I, also, if I'm updating Amarok I go and close Amarok windows, for example.

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RE[9]: Package management
by Nth_Man on Fri 10th Aug 2012 13:44 in reply to "RE[8]: Package management"
Nth_Man Member since:
2010-05-16

If you want to try it by yourself, there's a "VirtualBox disk image of Kubuntu 11.04 i386 Desktop, stable version" on
http://min.us/mX2I0UnLl
to conduct experiments on it. For example, to try to update it and see no breakage, no dependency hell, etc. Just don't update it to an upper version of Kubuntu and close a program before updating it.

About it, there is a README.txt on http://min.us/lrL47umKRwqLn

If you have any doubt, on this thread you can make questions. Greetings!

Edited 2012-08-10 13:53 UTC

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RE[9]: Package management
by ilovebeer on Fri 10th Aug 2012 15:19 in reply to "RE[8]: Package management"
ilovebeer Member since:
2011-08-08

He's talking about updates really happening when a Windows computer is being shut down, and later when it's booted (Windows tells you to wait). In that time the user cannot do anything.

The user can't do things while shutting down or booting in Linux either. And, to say that Windows updates only occur at shutdown and boot and also untrue. In many cases a reboot isn't actually required to apply & use an update. This is why rebooting was greatly reduced in Windows 7 from say Windows XP.

constant breakage & regressions, and dependency hell (which is in many cases absolutely pathetic).

I'm using Kubuntu for years, in several computers and virtual machines, and it doesn't have what you say.
I don't update from one version of Kubuntu to another, I do clean installs. I, also, if I'm updating Amarok I go and close Amarok windows, for example.

While I have no experience with Kubuntu, I'm still willing to bet it suffer from the same plagues or nearly all Linux distros. Changelogs, including that of the Linux kernel itself will show the massive amounts of regressions that occur, and the dependency hell is old news with countless complaints about it, from both devs and end-users.

In the event that Kubuntu somehow escapes the Linux plagues, then my hats off to it's maintainers because they're investing a lot of time into it and most certainly are applying patches to fix all the design laziness.

Again, nothing I've said is news. It's the same old Linux song and it's been sung for ages.

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