Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 19th Sep 2012 13:19 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless "Stephen Elop only has a few months to show he can turn Nokia around if he is to survive but the new smartphone is unlikely to woo customers back from Apple and Samsung. Investors and analysts say the chief executive has until early 2013 to prove he made the right choice by partnering with Microsoft Windows or his future at the loss-making company will be called into question." Well, I'll be doing my part. I'm buying a 920.
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by Nelson on Wed 19th Sep 2012 15:24 UTC
Nelson
Member since:
2005-11-29

Only in the OSNews bizarro world of armchair CEOs is a company's recovery expected to occur within months.

Nokia lost money because it has a size problem. It was on a wild downward spiral, and couldn't downsize fast enough to accommodate the lack of demand.

I have serious doubts Android would've changed their fortunes, and by all accounts, the Lumia range has not sold badly. It in fact is not even the principal problem Nokia faces.

Windows Phone and Nokia have enjoyed sequential growth in sales every quarter since the launch of the Lumia line, and WP8 will only help this.

Besides that, Nokia's Asha line up is excellent, and will actually be what saves them, more than Windows Phone. That's their real white knight on the low end.

Plus, its quickly becoming clear Nokia besides Google is the only competent location platform around, with Amazon having signed on.

There is clear, clear, immense value. However most of the post will fall on death ears, some smart ass will reply with the usual vitriol, and OSNews will be OSNews. Nokia apparently killed your first born when they did away with MeeGo.

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RE: Please
by pos3 on Wed 19th Sep 2012 16:26 in reply to "Please"
pos3 Member since:
2010-06-25

We have local Andorid mobiles eating into Nokia asha share. In fact samsung might also loose lower end android market to local brands if they don't update the specs.

I have said many times a Nokia android at least in India would be a big hit. Nokia still has brand value in India but don't think wp8 prices would come anywhere near low end android.

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RE: Please
by HangLoose on Wed 19th Sep 2012 16:34 in reply to "Please"
HangLoose Member since:
2007-09-03

You must not remember the burning platform memo then.

A CEO that calls it's current line up of products "rubbish" and tells all the customer base to "wait for a year until we make the current prototype into a working product" is either crazy or incompetent.

He could have gently phased out Symbian in favor of WP, for example. But he just went ahead and killed Symbian prematurely and didn't even have anything to replace it with. There was a myriad of ways to go but he chose to "jump from the platform to the water" without checking if there was a raft down there. This is business 101.

Besides, he said that there was "no clear strategy" in Nokia's smartphone business. And, yes, MeeGo won praises of reviewers left and right, which is no guarantee that it would be a success since WP also won reviewers. It is so much more than "killing our MeeGo".

And what about the faster development that would be ushered when the great MS system would be implemented?

And no, Nokia was not in a "wild downward spiral". What do you call this now? Batsh1t crazy tornado?

And as you mentioned, Nokia has a great location which was "partnered" with Microsoft, meaning, MS got to ditch their horrible location service in favor of a much superior one. Talk about a great deal!

But go on, cherry pick all you want. ;)

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RE[2]: Please
by Nelson on Wed 19th Sep 2012 18:17 in reply to "RE: Please"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

You must not remember the burning platform memo then.

A CEO that calls it's current line up of products "rubbish" and tells all the customer base to "wait for a year until we make the current prototype into a working product" is either crazy or incompetent.

He could have gently phased out Symbian in favor of WP, for example. But he just went ahead and killed Symbian prematurely and didn't even have anything to replace it with. There was a myriad of ways to go but he chose to "jump from the platform to the water" without checking if there was a raft down there. This is business 101.


The suggestion that consumers en masse read some memo online is nonsensical. There is no evidence to suggest that the memo had such a drastic effect. Symbian sales were already collapsing.


Besides, he said that there was "no clear strategy" in Nokia's smartphone business. And, yes, MeeGo won praises of reviewers left and right, which is no guarantee that it would be a success since WP also won reviewers. It is so much more than "killing our MeeGo".

And what about the faster development that would be ushered when the great MS system would be implemented?


Which is true. Nokia did lack a definitive direction and mindshare. Qt was taking them nowhere, MeeGo lacked the ecosystem, and Symbian was, well, Symbian.

There was a definite vacuum in their lineup, and its where Windows Phone came in.


And no, Nokia was not in a "wild downward spiral". What do you call this now? Batsh1t crazy tornado?


Yes they were, according to Tomi, an ex Nokian analyst many Nokia haters on OSNews like to quote:
http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2011/01/return-of-the-...

You'll note he said this before the Microsoft and Nokia announcement. I'll loosely quote here "Nokia's market share is in a death spiral"


And as you mentioned, Nokia has a great location which was "partnered" with Microsoft, meaning, MS got to ditch their horrible location service in favor of a much superior one. Talk about a great deal!

But go on, cherry pick all you want. ;)


Of course it is. Bing has a large presence and the exposure for Nokia is great. Also included is Amazon and Yahoo.

It is beyond logical to blame Elop for a company that was in a clear free fall. But you know, its okay, you did your job. You did your stupid comment, you got your jabs in, you revised history. You carried the flag well. Now go sit down.

Edited 2012-09-19 18:18 UTC

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RE: Please
by lucas_maximus on Wed 19th Sep 2012 16:42 in reply to "Please"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Yahoo maps are now using Nokia as well.

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RE: Please
by Nelson on Wed 19th Sep 2012 20:10 in reply to "Please"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

I'll note, that no one has replied to the core of my argument with something other than a snide remark or a made up claim.

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