Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 26th Sep 2012 20:16 UTC, submitted by Bob Stein
Windows has just posted their 45-page, 40-screenshot review of Microsoft Windows 8. The review covers many different aspects of the OS including performance, security, application compatibility, and more. "Is Windows 8 a hit or miss? It's a hit, it is clearly Microsoft's most bold development in years, it probably beats out the transition from Program Manager (Windows 3X) to Windows 95, the move from Windows 9x to the NT Kernel. The Windows 8 platform represents so many things: truly touch centric, support for modern processor architectures, fast and fluid as Microsoft puts it and also represents where the majority of the world is heading when it comes to computing, entirely mobile."
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A mixed bag
by WorknMan on Wed 26th Sep 2012 20:50 UTC
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I can appreciate what MS was trying to do with this release, but I think they really screwed up the integration (or lack thereof) between 'classic' desktop and metro. No self-respecting power user is going to have much to do with metro, and I can't imagine it not confusing the hell out of tech tards (esp when they're randomly thrown into desktop mode), but that remains to be seen.

That being said, I have been playing around with the final release, and other than the new start screen (which is ok once you get used to it), metro pretty much stays out of my way, and I find that there's enough new features besides metro to make it worth the $40 upgrade price that MS will be asking for when it's released.

For a broad overview of new features, see here:

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RE: A mixed bag
by quackalist on Wed 26th Sep 2012 21:57 in reply to "A mixed bag"
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Mixed bag is kinda over egging the positive, IMHO. True, one can almost forget 'metro' after installing a start menu app though, however, if the option didn't exist 'metro' and the desktop are so unintegrated to make 8 unusable as a desktop. 'Metro' is irrelevant and just a pain in the ass and after puzzling over it for a bit one just wants it gone.

Even 'metro' on it's own, as tablet etc using touch is, I fear, not fit for purpose. Initially, while puzzling over it's use on the desktop and the bizarre decision to shove it down our throats come what may I had thought it would work well on a tablet but the more I played around, admittedly not on a tablet, the less it made sense. Most of the major 'apps' dealing with the nuts & bolts of being on the net and consuming stuff don't actually work well enough that I'd be reluctant to use it. Pretty sure this will improve with time but it's puzzling why MS is risking so much on something so half-baked.

The more I use it the more puzzled I become. What, underneath, would be a no-brainier update to 7 is wrapped in an ill-thought marketers 'bright-idea' to 'Appleise' Windows and is just a mess. Can't imagine this is how 8 was envisioned and just wonder when the 'bright-idea' was tacked on. Maybe, it'll all come together in 9 but for now it's a disaster.

8 without 'metro' a positive yes, as it is...ho hum, a risk in being dependant on an app to make 'metro' go away and Microsoft not somehow forcing it back on the user.

Edited 2012-09-26 22:10 UTC

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RE[2]: A mixed bag
by WorknMan on Thu 27th Sep 2012 00:44 in reply to "RE: A mixed bag"
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Well, of course metro is irrelevant to *us*, but it wasn't made for us either. When the iPad came out, geeks around the world turned their noses up at it and said, 'This isn't OSX... it's just a big iPod Touch. It'll never sell.' Well, that shows how much we know ;)

The real test of metro is when tech tards and soccer moms get their hands on it. If they take to it, then it'll be a success as far as MS is concerned. If the computer-illiterate masses don't like it though, then MS is in serious trouble.

For this reason, I pretty much ignore metro as it is now, as you should too. Don't fall into the trap of having your geek sensibilities offended just because it is there. Benchmarks have already proven that Windows 8 is faster than 7 and more memory efficient, so it's not slowing down the system. And it doesn't really get in your way either if you don't seek it out.

The one obvious exception is the start screen; since MS removed the start menu, there's pretty much no getting around it without a start menu replacement. However, after having gotten familiar with it, I'm not entirely convinced that a start menu replacement is absolutely necessary, depending on what you used the start menu for. Once I figured out that I could pin desktop apps to it, I was pretty much good to go. In fact, I find that since I can resize tiles and separate them into logical groups, it's actually an improvement over the old start menu. And you can do searches as well, just hit the Windows key and start typing.

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RE: A mixed bag
by digitallysane on Thu 27th Sep 2012 09:27 in reply to "A mixed bag"
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What does "power-user" mean to you?

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RE[2]: A mixed bag
by WorknMan on Thu 27th Sep 2012 20:56 in reply to "RE: A mixed bag"
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What does "power-user" mean to you?

In a broad sense, I classify users into 3 different categories:

- Tech tard: How does this f**king app work?

- Power user: What are the shortcut keys? How do I customize the toolbar? Is it scriptable?

- Geek: What toolkit was this app written in? Is it open source?

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RE: A mixed bag
by bassbeast on Sun 30th Sep 2012 09:28 in reply to "A mixed bag"
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Let me ask you a question though, what makes it worth upgrading from 7? What feature is so "wow" you feel its worth that $40 or after jan 15th $100?

If they had made metro optional? Then I could see it IF they kept the $40 upgrade price. after all a faster boot would probably be worth $40 over the long haul, but come Jan 16th when you can't get it for $40 and are faced with win 7 and Win 8 for the same price, what's the selling point? Why should I put up with the fugly start screen or have to hack it if I can get 7 for the same price?

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