Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 3rd Oct 2012 22:41 UTC
Apple "Regarding the speech, it is amazing to hear Steve Jobs talk about some things that were not fully realized until only a handful of years ago. This talks shows us just how incredibly ahead of his time he was. I've listened to the entirety of the recording a few times now and have taken extensive notes, of which I will further elaborate on in future blog postings." This 1983 speech by Jobs is not as visionary as it seems. It's virtually identical to Alan Kay's mind-blowing Dynabook vision... From 1968. Kay even describes multitouch (p. 8) and Siri (p. 6). Not entirely coincidentally, Kay joined Apple in 1984. Look people, Steve Jobs was an incredibly talented individual that left a real imprint on the world - you don't need to make him larger than he was.
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karunko
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2008-10-28

I watched the video and I have to say I don't understand your criticism. The video was made in 90/91 (not sure which)... The professional workstation market was growing, rapidly, and it continued to grow for another 5 years or so.

I wasn't really criticizing, just pointing out the obvious truth: even the most brilliant man can be wrong at times.

NexT quit making hardware well before the workstation market peaked - the death of workstations had nothing to do with their failure.

The why would anyone quit a market that has not peaked yet? And even assuming that the problem was targeting the wrong customers or not being effective at that, this doesn't make him any less wrong, does it?


RT.

PS: Some data to pore through is available here: http://pctimeline.info/workstation/work1987.htm

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galvanash Member since:
2006-01-25


I wasn't really criticizing, just pointing out the obvious truth: even the most brilliant man can be wrong at times.


Oh, no doubt. G4 Cube... Hockey Puck Mouse...

The why would anyone quit a market that has not peaked yet? And even assuming that the problem was targeting the wrong customers or not being effective at that, this doesn't make him any less wrong, does it?


They simply ran out of money (investors fleed). Jobs didn't see any upside in dropping the cash it would take to bankroll NexT further as a hardware company, so they changed strategy and became a software company. My point was simply that it wasn't because the workstation market got soft - it didn't. NexT computers were just too damn expensive to sell in large enough volumes to make it worth their while anymore.

I really think Job's was obsessed with the notion of perfecting a product that could sell in high volume _with_ high margins... Gutting the NexT and making it price competitive doesn't jive with that goal. He didn't really crack that nut until he went back to Apple.

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karunko Member since:
2008-10-28

NexT computers were just too damn expensive to sell in large enough volumes to make it worth their while anymore.

Given the period I doubt that offerings from SUN, HP and DEC were that much cheaper, but of course those companies were well entrenched in that market segment and NeXT was the newcomer.

However, I wouldn't dismiss the fact that x86 was getting "good enough" and much cheaper, BSD was certainly a viable option and a little thing called Linux was just around the corner. I'm neither an hater, nor a fanatic, but facts are facts.

I really think Job's was obsessed with the notion of perfecting a product that could sell in high volume _with_ high margins... Gutting the NexT and making it price competitive doesn't jive with that goal.

Definitely, but let's put it this way: he didn't manage to pull it off with NeXT but succeeded with Apple, which sort of contradicts his "Great Salesman" fame -- at least in my book.

Anyway, I don't want to give the wrong impression, so I'll stop here -- imagine we were discussing this in front a couple of beers! ;-)


RT.

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