Linked by Howard Fosdick on Thu 8th Nov 2012 20:12 UTC
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"The U.S. doesn't even have a national ID.
And we damn sure don't need one. That's a giant step towards an oppressive government, "
Plenty of European and non-European countries have national ID systems and they don't seem repressive at all. If I were you, I'd worry more about e.g. the armed drones already flying over your heads while peeking inside your homes with IR cameras.
and it's already oppressive enough as it is.
The US government isn't oppressive. It's just wildly corrupt.
And besides, each one of us already has a nationally assigned ID card: Our social security card. The huge amount of fraud and misuse surrounding that particular identifier alone should be enough to tell the people that we don't need yet another layer of redundant ID.
You fail to appreciate the positive sides of having a way to identify citizens in some official manner - it makes interaction with authorities and certain businesses (e.g. banks) a lot simpler. To abolish all mechanisms for official identification would significantly complicate these routine interactions.
Please note that I am not trying to present a position here that is completely contrary to yours - what you said certainly has some merit. I just think a more nuanced approach is necessary. IMHO statements like "We don't need no stinkin' ID!" fail to capture the complexity of real life.
Well, my point was more that we don't need it because it's already there. Our government is complicated enough without yet another unnecessary burden on the citizens. That's what I meant by oppressive, which is why I chose that particular word rather than repressive. They actually have different meanings though the former is often misused to convey the latter.
>The U.S. doesn't even have a national ID.
And we damn sure don't need one. That's a giant step towards an oppressive government [...]
And besides, each one of us already has a nationally assigned ID card: Our social security card. The huge amount of fraud and misuse surrounding that particular identifier alone should be enough to tell the people that we don't need yet another layer of redundant ID.
And we damn sure don't need one. That's a giant step towards an oppressive government [...]
And besides, each one of us already has a nationally assigned ID card: Our social security card. The huge amount of fraud and misuse surrounding that particular identifier alone should be enough to tell the people that we don't need yet another layer of redundant ID.
In a properly set up national ID card, there's really barely any fraud, that's the whole point of it; the info can be quickly verified when that matters.
And I'm not sure if there's any correlation between existence of national ID in a given place, and how oppressive given government is; many past and present oppressors don't really need national ID.





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And we damn sure don't need one. That's a giant step towards an oppressive government, and it's already oppressive enough as it is.
And besides, each one of us already has a nationally assigned ID card: Our social security card. The huge amount of fraud and misuse surrounding that particular identifier alone should be enough to tell the people that we don't need yet another layer of redundant ID.