Linked by Howard Fosdick on Thu 8th Nov 2012 20:12 UTC
Editorial In the United States, state and local authorities are in charge of voting and the country uses more than a half dozen different voting technologies. As a result, the country can't guarantee that it accurately counts national votes in a timely fashion. This article discusses the problem and potential solutions to the U.S. voting dilemma.
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Umm...
by Morgan on Thu 8th Nov 2012 22:58 UTC
Morgan
Member since:
2005-06-29

The U.S. doesn't even have a national ID.


And we damn sure don't need one. That's a giant step towards an oppressive government, and it's already oppressive enough as it is.

And besides, each one of us already has a nationally assigned ID card: Our social security card. The huge amount of fraud and misuse surrounding that particular identifier alone should be enough to tell the people that we don't need yet another layer of redundant ID.

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RE: Umm...
by saso on Thu 8th Nov 2012 23:57 in reply to "Umm..."
saso Member since:
2007-04-18

"The U.S. doesn't even have a national ID.

And we damn sure don't need one. That's a giant step towards an oppressive government,
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Plenty of European and non-European countries have national ID systems and they don't seem repressive at all. If I were you, I'd worry more about e.g. the armed drones already flying over your heads while peeking inside your homes with IR cameras.

and it's already oppressive enough as it is.

The US government isn't oppressive. It's just wildly corrupt.

And besides, each one of us already has a nationally assigned ID card: Our social security card. The huge amount of fraud and misuse surrounding that particular identifier alone should be enough to tell the people that we don't need yet another layer of redundant ID.

You fail to appreciate the positive sides of having a way to identify citizens in some official manner - it makes interaction with authorities and certain businesses (e.g. banks) a lot simpler. To abolish all mechanisms for official identification would significantly complicate these routine interactions.

Please note that I am not trying to present a position here that is completely contrary to yours - what you said certainly has some merit. I just think a more nuanced approach is necessary. IMHO statements like "We don't need no stinkin' ID!" fail to capture the complexity of real life.

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RE[2]: Umm...
by Morgan on Fri 9th Nov 2012 00:03 in reply to "RE: Umm..."
Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

Well, my point was more that we don't need it because it's already there. Our government is complicated enough without yet another unnecessary burden on the citizens. That's what I meant by oppressive, which is why I chose that particular word rather than repressive. They actually have different meanings though the former is often misused to convey the latter.

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RE: Umm...
by Soulbender on Sat 10th Nov 2012 06:55 in reply to "Umm..."
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

The huge amount of fraud and misuse surrounding that particular identifier alone should be enough to tell the people that we don't need yet another layer of redundant ID.


Oh but you forget the most important aspect: someone will make a lot of money providing the national ID.

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RE: Umm...
by zima on Thu 15th Nov 2012 23:11 in reply to "Umm..."
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

>The U.S. doesn't even have a national ID.
And we damn sure don't need one. That's a giant step towards an oppressive government [...]
And besides, each one of us already has a nationally assigned ID card: Our social security card. The huge amount of fraud and misuse surrounding that particular identifier alone should be enough to tell the people that we don't need yet another layer of redundant ID.

In a properly set up national ID card, there's really barely any fraud, that's the whole point of it; the info can be quickly verified when that matters.

And I'm not sure if there's any correlation between existence of national ID in a given place, and how oppressive given government is; many past and present oppressors don't really need national ID.

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