Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 19th Jan 2013 14:22 UTC
Opera Software This is actually pretty big news - both exciting and tragic at the same time. Opera has revealed Opera Ice, its next mobile browser, to PocketLint. This new browser represent a big shift in both user interface as well as rendering engine, since it has a new, unique interface, as well as a new rendering engine... New to Opera, that is, as it's a WebKit-browser.
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by Hiev on Sat 19th Jan 2013 14:25 UTC
Hiev
Member since:
2005-09-27

I for once, welcome to our new webkit overlords.

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by vaette on Sat 19th Jan 2013 14:30 in reply to "..."
vaette Member since:
2008-08-09

I don't, the webkit monoculture on mobile is increasingly terrifying.

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by Hiev on Sat 19th Jan 2013 14:58 in reply to "RE: ..."
Hiev Member since:
2005-09-27

I has its advantages, this is the argument I used to convince to my superiors we needed to standarize the company browser to Chrome, that webkit is in every movil OS, macs, windows and Linux, and now, all I have to do is program to webkit, but, only to HTML5 not to webkit's special features, and, now with Opera running on top of webkit, we can switch from Chrome to Opera, cause I don't trust Google to be spying in our company.

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by Chris_G on Sat 19th Jan 2013 15:01 in reply to "RE: ..."
Chris_G Member since:
2012-10-25

It doesn't bother me too much. If WebKit development ever stagnated, the browser makers would just fork it.

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by saso on Sat 19th Jan 2013 16:46 in reply to "RE: ..."
saso Member since:
2007-04-18

I don't, the webkit monoculture on mobile is increasingly terrifying.

This is only terrifying if you want to preserve W3C's power over the web, rather than a self-governing open web. What I mean by that is that it doesn't matter what the name of "standard" is (be it WebKit, or HTML5, or whatever), as long as it is open, developed in a cooperative fashion and has multiple players in it (which WebKit certainly has). We can see multi-dev agreements on web protocols and formats all over the place (between Mozilla, WebKit users, MS, etc.) without the need for a formal institution like the W3C. That's why I don't share your fear of monopolization of the web as happened in the 90s with IE.

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by shmerl on Sun 20th Jan 2013 01:50 in reply to "RE: ..."
shmerl Member since:
2010-06-08

Mozilla is the only alternative now.

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by drstorm on Sun 20th Jan 2013 02:30 in reply to "RE: ..."
drstorm Member since:
2009-04-24

I don't think Hiev actually means it. It seems to be a Futurama movie reference. ;)

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by Macrat on Sun 20th Jan 2013 02:49 in reply to "RE: ..."
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2006-03-27

I don't, the webkit monoculture on mobile is increasingly terrifying.


Does the Apache monoculture on servers terrify you as well?

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by woegjiub on Sun 20th Jan 2013 11:50 in reply to "RE: ..."
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2008-11-25

One of the worst things about it is that Firefox for android is actually excellent, yet somehow remains a niche player.

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Yea, could anyone have believed that 15 years ago?
by dsmogor on Mon 21st Jan 2013 12:00 in reply to "RE: ..."
dsmogor Member since:
2005-09-01

Hey, we're experiencing the OSS guys dream come true.
Could KHTML developers back then even dream of that?

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by bassbeast on Sat 19th Jan 2013 16:58 in reply to "..."
bassbeast Member since:
2007-11-11

Uhhh...did he mean to say it takes a big shit? And what's a "roder"? me thinks Mr Holwerda shouldn't be posting past happy hour.

As for the news, close the doors and give the money back to the stockholders. What is the point if its nothing but a skin on webkit? And why isn't Opera growing some stones and suing Apple for what is obviously anti-competitive behavior? last I heard the EU didn't take too kindly for the "lock in the users, our way or the highway" attitude so you'd think they'd not cave just because its an iToy.

If all the companies keep rolling over and kissing the ring of Apple we might as well accept the future is gonna be nothing but locked down game consoles, where you can't do anything without corporate approval and the second corporate doesn't support it anymore into the trash it goes. Never before have we had such great tech so cheap but instead of this empowering us we're gonna end up with the worst of the 80s, where everything was locked down and proprietary and didn't play nice with anything else.

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by PresentIt on Sat 19th Jan 2013 18:26 in reply to "RE: ..."
PresentIt Member since:
2010-02-10

As for the news, close the doors and give the money back to the stockholders. What is the point if its nothing but a skin on webkit?

A skin is just a bunch of images. A completely new UI built from scratch is a huge undertaking. If they do make a new UI on top of WebKit it's going to take a massive amount of engineering resources.

And why isn't Opera growing some stones and suing Apple for what is obviously anti-competitive behavior? last I heard the EU didn't take too kindly for the "lock in the users, our way or the highway" attitude so you'd think they'd not cave just because its an iToy.

Why would Opera sue Apple? Antitrust cases are not decided through the courts. It's handled by the Competition Commissioner. And obviously there's no basis for reporting Apple

You are extremely ignorant if you think it's a matter of Opera admiring Apple too much to do anything. There's simply no basis for an antitrust case. Not yet at least.

If all the companies keep rolling over and kissing the ring of Apple

Who is doing that? Not Google. Not Opera. Not Mozilla. Who are you talking about?

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by dsmogor on Sun 20th Jan 2013 12:19 in reply to "RE: ..."
dsmogor Member since:
2005-09-01

Agree. Apple policy is actually much worse than the one MS got sued for.

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