Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 19th Jan 2013 14:22 UTC
Opera Software This is actually pretty big news - both exciting and tragic at the same time. Opera has revealed Opera Ice, its next mobile browser, to PocketLint. This new browser represent a big shift in both user interface as well as rendering engine, since it has a new, unique interface, as well as a new rendering engine... New to Opera, that is, as it's a WebKit-browser.
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by PresentIt on Sat 19th Jan 2013 18:23 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: ..."
PresentIt
Member since:
2010-02-10

There's nothing terrifying about the W3C. They are basically the only true guarantee that the web stays open.

You can't compare WebKit to HTML5. WebKit is a project run by someone who controls it and its directly. HTML5 is a standard agreed on by basically everyone.

You are extremely naive if you think companies are going to suddenly start supporting each other. And if they are going to agree on standards, they basically need an independent organization. And then you're back to the W3C.

You can kill of W3C but another W3C will still be needed.

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by lucas_maximus on Sat 19th Jan 2013 19:05 in reply to "RE[3]: ..."
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

You obviously haven't heard of the WHATWG then?

Companies do collaborate when it suits their needs i.e. why the WHATWG exists and other organisations that have several companies funding them.

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by PresentIt on Sun 20th Jan 2013 01:00 in reply to "RE[4]: ..."
PresentIt Member since:
2010-02-10

So was Microsoft cooperating with the rest when it was so dominant it could basically block other browsers?

Nope.

The WHATWG ended up going to the W3C. Funny, that.

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by saso on Sat 19th Jan 2013 20:48 in reply to "RE[3]: ..."
saso Member since:
2007-04-18

And I think you are extremely naive in that you think that only formal standards bodies can facilitate cooperation.
Btw, how's that HTML5 standard coming along? Do you think that after about a decade of bickering we deserve a finalization? HTML5's first public working draft was in freakin' 2008 and it won't be until the end of 2014 that it will be finalized - 9 fucking years! In a technology space where often no more than 6 months is the separator between releases of game changing products. I'm sorry, W3C used to be very important in the past, but I feel that the volume of red tape has really swelled recently to the point of making W3C really quite impotent.

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by PresentIt on Sun 20th Jan 2013 01:01 in reply to "RE[4]: ..."
PresentIt Member since:
2010-02-10

Not only formal standard bodies can facilitate cooperation, but it's the only thing that can ensure an open web.

What about HTML5? Parts of it are ready already. But as you may notice, doing things properly takes time.

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by Coxy on Sat 19th Jan 2013 23:00 in reply to "RE[3]: ..."
Coxy Member since:
2006-07-01

I thought the point of the W3C was to spend 20 years drafting a standard for a technology while at the same time drafting the next 3 versions...

...and then producing something so complex and unreadable that vendors just decide to impliment there own interpretation

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by PresentIt on Sun 20th Jan 2013 01:07 in reply to "RE[4]: ..."
PresentIt Member since:
2010-02-10

That's weird because the vendors are involved in creating the specifications...

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by WorknMan on Sun 20th Jan 2013 02:18 in reply to "RE[3]: ..."
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

There's nothing terrifying about the W3C. They are basically the only true guarantee that the web stays open.


They are basically the only guarantee that it'll take 10+ years for standards to get ratified, and browser makers will keep putting custom shit into their browsers while the W3C keeps dragging its feet.

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by PresentIt on Sun 20th Jan 2013 11:01 in reply to "RE[4]: ..."
PresentIt Member since:
2010-02-10

10+ years? What are you talking about?

The fact is that doing it right takes more than a few months.

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