Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 22nd Jan 2013 21:28 UTC, submitted by lemur2
Linux "If you consider NetApplications' data set, then Linux owns only about 1 percent of the desktop OS market and Windows has almost 92 percent. But if you consider all computing platforms, including mobile, than Windows has only 20 percent and Linux has 42 percent - and that would be in the form of Google's Android alone." No more or less legitimate than claiming Windows owns 92% of the market. It's all a matter of perspective.
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RE: Marketshare
by galvanash on Tue 22nd Jan 2013 22:07 UTC in reply to "Marketshare"
galvanash
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2006-01-25

What is Linux having "double" marketshare really telling you? That Android is popular? We already knew that because Android is popular in the mobile space.

Its only function, is to mask Linux's deficiencies in other core markets.


So is the 5% marketshare of Windows in mobile an indication of its deficiency in the mobile market? I personally don't think it is indicative of a "deficiency" any more than the 1% marketshare of Linux on the desktop is. It is a matter of popularity and where the broad corporate backing is - no major players are backing Linux as a desktop play (with the minor exception of Ubuntu, for what that is worth). If anything, Windows Phone has even less of an excuse for its poor showing in mobile, because at least it has the might of Microsoft behind it...

Its just a twisting of numbers to make a headline. This is like using Windows 92% marketshare to inflate their numbers in mobile. Doesn't really make sense.


I do get your point, sort of... But your saying that there is no context... There is context, i.e. Linux is on more devices across the broad market - that is the context. It isn't about making a headline, it is a relavent statistic as long as you take it for what it is. It is telling you that a hell of a lot of companies are using it for a wide variety of things, granted desktop isn't high on the list...

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RE[2]: Marketshare
by Nelson on Tue 22nd Jan 2013 22:17 in reply to "RE: Marketshare"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29


So is the 5% marketshare of Windows in mobile an indication of its deficiency in the mobile market? I personally don't think it is indicative of a "deficiency" any more than the 1% marketshare of Linux on the desktop is.


Deficiency meaning a lack of popularity, not any functional impediment. For the record, yes, I do think that Windows' 5% marketshare is a problem, and if Microsoft were twisting statistics in this way it would be equally wrong.


It is a matter of popularity and where the broad corporate backing is - no major players are backing Linux as a desktop play (with the minor exception of Ubuntu, for what that is worth). If anything, Windows Phone has even less of an excuse for its poor showing in mobile, because at least it has the might of Microsoft behind it...


The Desktop and Mobile markets are very different (as you seem to allude to) but then you try to make a direct comparison which I think is wrong.

The mobile market has many dynamics that the PC market does not, including more "Gate keepers" so to speak with interests that sometimes run contrary to that of Microsoft's and creates friction at the sales channel.

I am not convinced that most people who try Windows Phone hate it or reject it on its merits, I think rather, it is a big problem in the sales channel that Microsoft has made recent strides towards addressing.



I do get your point, sort of... But your saying that there is no context... There is context, i.e. Linux is on more devices across the broad market - that is the context. It isn't about making a headline, it is a relavent statistic as long as you take it for what it is. It is telling you that a hell of a lot of companies are using it for a wide variety of things, granted desktop isn't high on the list...


Sure, but why is it there? Mostly for one reason. Android. That is the functional equivalent of saying that Android is dominant in the mobile space. There is no new information, and crucial context is lost.

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RE[3]: Marketshare
by galvanash on Tue 22nd Jan 2013 22:33 in reply to "RE[2]: Marketshare"
galvanash Member since:
2006-01-25

Deficiency meaning a lack of popularity, not any functional impediment.


Ok. Well that sounds a bit less insulting that way.

For the record, yes, I do think that Windows' 5% marketshare is a problem, and if Microsoft were twisting statistics in this way it would be equally wrong.


I still don't think it is twisting statistics - it is just a _different_ statistic...

The mobile market has many dynamics that the PC market does not, including more "Gate keepers" so to speak with interests that sometimes run contrary to that of Microsoft's and creates friction at the sales channel.


You think Microsoft doesn't similarly act as a gatekeeper in the desktop market? The difference is Linux has no one to act on its behalf in that market...

I am not convinced that most people who try Windows Phone hate it or reject it on its merits, I think rather, it is a big problem in the sales channel that Microsoft has made recent strides towards addressing.


I am not convinced that most people who try Linux on the desktop hate it or reject it on its merits, I think rather, it is a big problem with lack of vertical integration and corporate backing. Unfortunately, there is no one that has _really_ tried to address it, so it has never had a real chance to gain any footholds.

Sure, but why is it there? Mostly for one reason. Android. That is the functional equivalent of saying that Android is dominant in the mobile space. There is no new information, and crucial context is lost.


But it isn't a mobile statistic... So why try to bend it into one? It is simply "marketshare across all device types" - the mix in each product category or the relative number of devices is not the point. Of course the high number is because of Android, but that doesn't invalidate anything.

I would wager quite heavily that if the combination of Windows and Windows Phone ever crossed 50% in such an "across all categories" type of statistic they would be trumpeting it all over the place (and have in the past). I don't blame them...

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RE[3]: Marketshare
by cdude on Wed 23rd Jan 2013 08:27 in reply to "RE[2]: Marketshare"
cdude Member since:
2008-09-21

It is telling that you are talking of the mobile market and exclude tables, notebooks like the Chromebook on the way. Fact is all of them are computers and it doesn't become more personal then a smartphone. The shift of customers away from workstations to thinner devices is telling us that there is no hard border. Its all computers, the categories are blur and it makes more sense tro include all computers in a statistic then defining fake borders to make a point.

Edited 2013-01-23 08:30 UTC

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RE[3]: Marketshare
by lemur2 on Wed 23rd Jan 2013 08:50 in reply to "RE[2]: Marketshare"
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2007-02-17

Sure, but why is it there? Mostly for one reason. Android. That is the functional equivalent of saying that Android is dominant in the mobile space. There is no new information, and crucial context is lost.


Actually, Linux is dominant in the mobile market, the embedded market, the server market, the "cloud", virtualization, network infrastructure, the real-time market, the cluster and distributed computing market, mainframes and supercomputers.

http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-linuxuniversal/

In other words, everywhere except the desktop. Linux is indisputably the most widely used OS today, by far.

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RE[2]: Marketshare
by WorknMan on Tue 22nd Jan 2013 22:50 in reply to "RE: Marketshare"
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2005-11-13

So is the 5% marketshare of Windows in mobile an indication of its deficiency in the mobile market?


Yes, absolutely. Despite the merits of each OS, Windows on mobile sucks ass for the same reason that Linux on the desktop does... there are much better apps/games (and a wider variety of them too) on other platforms.

Edited 2013-01-22 22:51 UTC

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RE[3]: Marketshare
by lemur2 on Tue 22nd Jan 2013 23:12 in reply to "RE[2]: Marketshare"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

"So is the 5% marketshare of Windows in mobile an indication of its deficiency in the mobile market?


Yes, absolutely. Despite the merits of each OS, Windows on mobile sucks ass for the same reason that Linux on the desktop does... there are much better apps/games (and a wider variety of them too) on other platforms.
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This is a myth. The selection of commonly-used desktop applications (mail client, web browser, file manager & utilities, office suite, say photo management & editing, etc) for Linux, along with the lack of malware and crapware and the need for anti-virus, make desktop Linux a far better choice for most people, since most people by far are not gamers.

Ubuntu Linux alone comes pre-installed on five percent of PCs globally now:

http://www.zdnet.com/shuttleworth-talks-up-ubuntu-12-10-growing-acc...

It is an utter myth that desktop Linux is deficient, except for the fact that most people are not offered a convenient and cost-proportionate way to purchase it pre-installed on decent hardware. That alone is the reason why it lacks more market share than it has (which is significantly more than 1% BTW).

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RE[3]: Marketshare
by lapantz4less on Wed 23rd Jan 2013 09:47 in reply to "RE[2]: Marketshare"
lapantz4less Member since:
2008-10-29

Agreed - why does win mobile even exist? Seriosly, I know very few that use it.


http://mysite.verizon.net/vzetscph/parttimejobforstudents/

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