Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 8th Feb 2013 02:02 UTC
Legal "This means that people can no longer get convicted for violating the copyright monopoly alone. The court just declared it illegal for any court in Europe to convict somebody for breaking the copyright monopoly law when sharing culture, only on the merits of breaking the law. A court that tries somebody for violating the copyright monopoly must now also show that a conviction is necessary to defend democracy itself in order to convict. This is a considerably higher bar to meet." Well, that's progress, I guess.
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The wrong way
by darknexus on Fri 8th Feb 2013 05:01 UTC
darknexus
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I think they're going about this the wrong way. I know how much everyone wants to believe they're entitled to get something without paying, but please do realize that people's livelyhoods often depend on most of the works you download. Now, I'll be the first to say that what we have now is not fair to most content creators. Unless you're self-publishing your work (not always possible for large budget projects), most of the money is taken by the middlemen. Problem is, the attitude of "stick it to them" really accomplishes nothing except to deny the artist what few pennies they would have gotten. I take a rather novel approach to these things: If I like the content, the price is fair, and there's no drm, I'll pay for it. If not, guess what? I go without. Wow.
The problem is, those who think file sharing sends a message to these media conglomerates are absolutely correct, but it's not the message they intend. What it actually tells them is: We need to make more of this stuff and try even harder to cripple it with drm to force people to pay our ridiculous prices. The result? An endless cat and mouse game.
Legislating penalties for file sharing isn't going to help. What needs done instead is to get a handle on the drm problem and limit that. At the same time, the artists and content creators need to unite and deal with these middlemen (that can be done entirely without legislation). It's not going to be easy. There are no quick fix pills for this, and it's not a problem you can legislate away. It's a combination of greed on one side (both with the middlemen and those who pirate the content) and short-sightedness on the other (the content creators and the legislators). It will take a huge shift in mentality to overcome it, and it has to start with those who create the content and those who pirate it. Stop supporting it, in any way, even by pirating it because you're telling the big guys that you want more. The artists need to stand up for themselves and, yes, that might mean monetary hardship for a time. We need to surround these big conglomerates from both sides and cut them off. No laws, no petitions, no toothless protests will fix this. It's going to take action. Meanwhile, the legislators can do something useful on their end and either outlaw drm or enforce some kind of fair use terms on all drm mechanisms.
P.S. If I didn't make it clear, I only refer to pirates as those who download without having paid. I have no objections to anyone converting purchased media to alternate formats, or resorting to downloading to get an alternate copy of what they own that is more convenient for them.

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v RE: The wrong way
by BeamishBoy on Fri 8th Feb 2013 14:17 in reply to "The wrong way"
RE[2]: The wrong way
by darknexus on Fri 8th Feb 2013 14:36 in reply to "RE: The wrong way"
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

And yet you bothered to comment, and not to even bother using a complete sentence in doing so? Seems rather odd for something you "didn't read."

Edited 2013-02-08 14:37 UTC

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RE: The wrong way
by cdude on Fri 8th Feb 2013 17:25 in reply to "The wrong way"
cdude Member since:
2008-09-21


I know how much everyone wants to believe they're entitled to get something without paying
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If I like the content, the price is fair, and there's no drm, I'll pay for it. If not, guess what?


Everybody (first sentence) except you (second sentence). Do you see how your whole argumentation just collapsed?

If not here are the faults:
1) nobody likes to pay so its needed to enforce (and yet except you)
2) DRM is the alternate. Yet what you not know (maybe cause you not do fileshare) is that
a) DRM not works cause things are available also then and
b) DRM is contra-productive cause only buyers have it while fileshares have same content without DRM. Content accessible via filesharing having no restrictions, bought content has. One more reason to fileshare rather then buy.
3) everybody uses filesharing rather then paying as in either fileshare or buy and everybody who fileshares would buy otherwise. Both already multiple times proven wrong.

The problem is, those who think file sharing sends a message to these media conglomerates are absolutely correct, but it's not the message they intend.


You make exact the same mistake the big media does. You assume filesharers do that cause they are your enemies, have an agenda to kill you. Then you conclude you need to fight them. That is not working. You, media, is losing that fight since 15 long years!

You need to understand them as lazy potential customers. You not compete with free but with good services. Filesharing is a click, works fast and you can enjoy without any restrictions within minutes. Compare that with what the media offers.

Just look at itunes, spotify, its working IF the service is good. Stop wasting your energy making your services more and more bad (eg with DRM and huge money wasted on war rather then products and services) and get great services done that offer a similar easy to use and easy to enjoy result. Then customers come en mass. It works already, learn before its to late. You and media already wasted 15 years and what did you achieve? Customers hate you like hell!

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RE[2]: The wrong way
by WorknMan on Fri 8th Feb 2013 23:58 in reply to "RE: The wrong way"
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2005-11-13

a) DRM not works cause things are available also then and
b) DRM is contra-productive cause only buyers have it while fileshares have same content without DRM. Content accessible via filesharing having no restrictions, bought content has. One more reason to fileshare rather then buy.


Really? Do you have a crack for Diablo 3? Cuz I haven't seen anybody pull that one off yet ...

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RE[2]: The wrong way
by darknexus on Sat 9th Feb 2013 02:25 in reply to "RE: The wrong way"
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

You make exact the same mistake the big media does. You assume filesharers do that cause they are your enemies, have an agenda to kill you. Then you conclude you need to fight them. That is not working. You, media, is losing that fight since 15 long years!

Interesting. That's not how I meant to come across, at all. Quite the opposite of that. I'm not a fan of big media at all, and I think we actually agree, for the most part. I don't think file sharers are my enemies at all, and I'm not trying to fight them. I just think they should realize that, inadvertently, they're fighting themselves and the content creators. Notice that I say content creators, not big media.

You need to understand them as lazy potential customers. You not compete with free but with good services. Filesharing is a click, works fast and you can enjoy without any restrictions within minutes.

Lazy potential customers? Downloading takes a lot more effort than finding a copy to buy. You have to search through various torrent pages and file lockers until you find what it is you want, then hope enough other people have all of it (in the case of torrents) that you can download it. Then, you have to assume the file is accurately described (i.e. make sure it's not in a format you can't play even if the description says otherwise). And that's just media. Let's not even get into what you have to watch out for when trying to pirate software. I'd say that lazy is the exact opposite of what they are.

Just look at itunes, spotify, its working IF the service is good. Stop wasting your energy making your services more and more bad (eg with DRM and huge money wasted on war rather then products and services) and get great services done that offer a similar easy to use and easy to enjoy result. Then customers come en mass. It works already, learn before its to late. You and media already wasted 15 years and what did you achieve? Customers hate you like hell!

First off, you keep saying "you," like you think I'm big media. I'm on the opposite of them. Leaving that aside, services like Spotify are awesome if you happen to live in a region where they offer a large collection (I'm in the US and they're just barely starting to take off here). iTunes, however, is somewhat more of a problem. You see, the only things that are drm-free on iTunes are music and some ebooks. Movies, tv shows, and most books still have drm all over them. The result? I pay damn close to physical media prices for content that I still don't own. The drm may not be as invasive as that on, say, a blu-ray, but it comes with some nasty restrictions of its own, e.g. I can only play it on Apple devices and, should Apple ever flop, their authorization servers will go down and bye-bye all my purchased content with it once my current device dies. One additional problem with iTunes is that there are a lot of movies that you can't buy there, as they are only available for rental instead. $4 to $6 every time I want to watch a movie? Forget it. At the other side of the spectrum, I really like Netflix's streaming service. There's no pretence that I own the media; it's like Spotify for movies. I can watch as much as I want as long as I pay the $8/month subscription and the quality, while not up to blu-ray specifications, is still quite good on the highest setting.

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RE: The wrong way
by cjmuk on Mon 11th Feb 2013 11:42 in reply to "The wrong way"
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2013-01-16

I couldn't agree more with this.

It *shouldn't* be a free-for-all. Content creators *should* get paid fairly.

Clearly, no one is going to generate content for (solely) free - they need to be reimbursed somehow. If we have uninhibited sharing, the distributors will find ever more unpleasant and cumbersome means of restricting us and shaking us down for cash.

The solution (IMHO) is to bring in fairer laws regarding fair use. Allow us to (temporarily) share content with friends an family (as we would if we were sharing a book). Allow us to freely convert content into different formats and platforms, and not expect us to pay multiple times for the same content. Allow us to resell our content, providing we forfeit our right to use it in future. Allow us to purchase content from any market, regardless of our geography and platform, so we can seek the best value deal we can.

Copying is partially a response to the ever-more restrictive constraints that distributors place on us. Rebalance the relationship, and there will be no excuses for avoiding pay a fair price to content creators.

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