Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 8th Feb 2013 02:02 UTC
Legal "This means that people can no longer get convicted for violating the copyright monopoly alone. The court just declared it illegal for any court in Europe to convict somebody for breaking the copyright monopoly law when sharing culture, only on the merits of breaking the law. A court that tries somebody for violating the copyright monopoly must now also show that a conviction is necessary to defend democracy itself in order to convict. This is a considerably higher bar to meet." Well, that's progress, I guess.
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RE: The wrong way
by cdude on Fri 8th Feb 2013 17:25 UTC in reply to "The wrong way"
cdude
Member since:
2008-09-21


I know how much everyone wants to believe they're entitled to get something without paying
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If I like the content, the price is fair, and there's no drm, I'll pay for it. If not, guess what?


Everybody (first sentence) except you (second sentence). Do you see how your whole argumentation just collapsed?

If not here are the faults:
1) nobody likes to pay so its needed to enforce (and yet except you)
2) DRM is the alternate. Yet what you not know (maybe cause you not do fileshare) is that
a) DRM not works cause things are available also then and
b) DRM is contra-productive cause only buyers have it while fileshares have same content without DRM. Content accessible via filesharing having no restrictions, bought content has. One more reason to fileshare rather then buy.
3) everybody uses filesharing rather then paying as in either fileshare or buy and everybody who fileshares would buy otherwise. Both already multiple times proven wrong.

The problem is, those who think file sharing sends a message to these media conglomerates are absolutely correct, but it's not the message they intend.


You make exact the same mistake the big media does. You assume filesharers do that cause they are your enemies, have an agenda to kill you. Then you conclude you need to fight them. That is not working. You, media, is losing that fight since 15 long years!

You need to understand them as lazy potential customers. You not compete with free but with good services. Filesharing is a click, works fast and you can enjoy without any restrictions within minutes. Compare that with what the media offers.

Just look at itunes, spotify, its working IF the service is good. Stop wasting your energy making your services more and more bad (eg with DRM and huge money wasted on war rather then products and services) and get great services done that offer a similar easy to use and easy to enjoy result. Then customers come en mass. It works already, learn before its to late. You and media already wasted 15 years and what did you achieve? Customers hate you like hell!

Edited 2013-02-08 17:35 UTC

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RE[2]: The wrong way
by WorknMan on Fri 8th Feb 2013 23:58 in reply to "RE: The wrong way"
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

a) DRM not works cause things are available also then and
b) DRM is contra-productive cause only buyers have it while fileshares have same content without DRM. Content accessible via filesharing having no restrictions, bought content has. One more reason to fileshare rather then buy.


Really? Do you have a crack for Diablo 3? Cuz I haven't seen anybody pull that one off yet ...

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RE[3]: The wrong way
by JLF65 on Sat 9th Feb 2013 01:41 in reply to "RE[2]: The wrong way"
JLF65 Member since:
2005-07-06

Really? A quick google shows the first Diablo 3 crack in June of last year. There's several videos of cracked D3 on youtube.

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RE[2]: The wrong way
by darknexus on Sat 9th Feb 2013 02:25 in reply to "RE: The wrong way"
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

You make exact the same mistake the big media does. You assume filesharers do that cause they are your enemies, have an agenda to kill you. Then you conclude you need to fight them. That is not working. You, media, is losing that fight since 15 long years!

Interesting. That's not how I meant to come across, at all. Quite the opposite of that. I'm not a fan of big media at all, and I think we actually agree, for the most part. I don't think file sharers are my enemies at all, and I'm not trying to fight them. I just think they should realize that, inadvertently, they're fighting themselves and the content creators. Notice that I say content creators, not big media.

You need to understand them as lazy potential customers. You not compete with free but with good services. Filesharing is a click, works fast and you can enjoy without any restrictions within minutes.

Lazy potential customers? Downloading takes a lot more effort than finding a copy to buy. You have to search through various torrent pages and file lockers until you find what it is you want, then hope enough other people have all of it (in the case of torrents) that you can download it. Then, you have to assume the file is accurately described (i.e. make sure it's not in a format you can't play even if the description says otherwise). And that's just media. Let's not even get into what you have to watch out for when trying to pirate software. I'd say that lazy is the exact opposite of what they are.

Just look at itunes, spotify, its working IF the service is good. Stop wasting your energy making your services more and more bad (eg with DRM and huge money wasted on war rather then products and services) and get great services done that offer a similar easy to use and easy to enjoy result. Then customers come en mass. It works already, learn before its to late. You and media already wasted 15 years and what did you achieve? Customers hate you like hell!

First off, you keep saying "you," like you think I'm big media. I'm on the opposite of them. Leaving that aside, services like Spotify are awesome if you happen to live in a region where they offer a large collection (I'm in the US and they're just barely starting to take off here). iTunes, however, is somewhat more of a problem. You see, the only things that are drm-free on iTunes are music and some ebooks. Movies, tv shows, and most books still have drm all over them. The result? I pay damn close to physical media prices for content that I still don't own. The drm may not be as invasive as that on, say, a blu-ray, but it comes with some nasty restrictions of its own, e.g. I can only play it on Apple devices and, should Apple ever flop, their authorization servers will go down and bye-bye all my purchased content with it once my current device dies. One additional problem with iTunes is that there are a lot of movies that you can't buy there, as they are only available for rental instead. $4 to $6 every time I want to watch a movie? Forget it. At the other side of the spectrum, I really like Netflix's streaming service. There's no pretence that I own the media; it's like Spotify for movies. I can watch as much as I want as long as I pay the $8/month subscription and the quality, while not up to blu-ray specifications, is still quite good on the highest setting.

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RE[3]: The wrong way
by cdude on Sat 9th Feb 2013 03:39 in reply to "RE[2]: The wrong way"
cdude Member since:
2008-09-21

I just think they should realize that, inadvertently, they're fighting themselves and the content creators.


Customers not fight, they chose.

For years media settled on CD/DVD and classic distribution-channels. Then internet happened and with it a new diatribution-channel. That distribution-channel gained in all areas. Books? Amazon! Shopping? eBay! and so on.

But no music, no media. Media decided to igoring customers demand to use that new distribution-channel. Napstar was an enemy rather then turning it into an opportunity. Years long every attempt to make that channels available was fight. A lost fight since customers used it anyways but then without Media. That was and is foremost a decision done by media. Customers have choice and they chose.

Very very late only when a big US company like Apple came in they opened to a certain degree a little bit. And? itunes hits like a bomb. Spotify hits like a bomb. What does that tell you? What does that proof us? Customers WOULD pay if the f*cking media-mafia stops that stupid boykott and starts to offer there services.

Notice that I say content creators, not big media.


What is wrong, Creators have nothing , null, zero to say or decide else that problem would not exist. Creators are not losing with the new distribution-channels, they are winnig. That, the middle man, the media-mafia is losing huge. Control, money. That's why they fight so hard and take content creators with them down.

Downloading takes a lot more effort than finding a copy to buy. You have to search through various torrent pages and file lockers until you find what it is you want, then


You never tried. Its like a google-search where you add eg artist, title and press search and then get as result a well sorted list. Click a search-result, download starts and 1-2 minutes later you have it.

It is even easier then that, You can also stream the music or video direct into your favorite player, watch/listen while download happens in background optionally. No DRM, any language, any platform, any time.

You should really try. Its such a great feeling of uncomplicated service that you may never use your bought DRM-dongle again. Do it like me: buy that DRM-dongle, throw it in a corner and download the same content from some filesharing place. Fair, uncomplicated, legal. Just sucks I still have to walk into a shop or wait long time for deliver and have a whole corner full of trash I need to keep for the case media-mafia hunts me down illegal and wastes some more $ of its customers (content creators, customer-group number 2 screwed by media).

Spotify are awesome if you happen to live in a region where they offer a large collection (I'm in the US and they're just barely starting to take off here)


I am not in the US and here they suck but it is the best offer available. See what I mean?

iTunes, however, is somewhat more of a problem. You see, the only things that are drm-free on iTunes are music and some ebooks.


Yes, they suck even more and make even more cash cause there is NO alternate! This stupid media-industry fights for years against services in that now not-so-new-any-longer distribution-channel. Today, internet age and they still fight internet! I not wonder people give a sh*t and go piratebay. Ignore customers and they ignore you. Fight customers and they ignore you more and then you lose.

Edited 2013-02-09 03:56 UTC

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