Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 21st Mar 2013 20:17 UTC
In the News "An incident at the annual Python developer conference has led to allegations of sexism, death threats, the firings of two people, and - apparently - multiple DDoS (distributed denial-of-service) attacks." Absolutely bizarre.
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RE[3]: Both sides
by ricegf on Fri 22nd Mar 2013 14:46 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Both sides"
ricegf
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I agree in general, but I think this is a different school than the one to which this thought applies. The men were engaging in a private conversation. If she doesn't tell them she is eavesdropping and is offended, how exactly are they supposed to know?

Other than in cases of overt and directed harassment, I think women are tough enough to say "Stop it". Never bothrd me.

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RE[4]: Both sides
by sparkyERTW on Fri 22nd Mar 2013 15:58 in reply to "RE[3]: Both sides"
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2010-06-09

I agree in general, but I think this is a different school than the one to which this thought applies. The men were engaging in a private conversation. If she doesn't tell them she is eavesdropping and is offended, how exactly are they supposed to know?

Other than in cases of overt and directed harassment, I think women are tough enough to say "Stop it". Never bothrd me.


Well, semi-private; we are talking a professional conference. It's roughly the same as if I we're in my cubicle at work telling a off-colour joke to work friend or someone on the phone: if another co-worker in an adjoining cubicle or walking by can hear it and is upset by it, I'm liable as I am expected to conduct myself professionally within the confines of the office, just as the developer was expected to conduct himself professionally within the confines of the conference, as per PyCon's Code of Conduct.

Even outside of a professional context, it's basic etiquette to be aware of your surroundings in a public place. If I'm sitting in a coffee shop and nearby customers are made uncomfortable because they can overhear my end of an explicit, vulger or otherwise offensive conversation, I'm at fault and they have every right to tell me off or go to the management.

Overt and directed or not, going to the PyCon administration was an acceptable alternative to confronting them directly. What was not an appropriate response was turning the table and publicly humiliating the developer, especially considering that the PyCon staff approach worked.

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