Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 19th Apr 2013 14:09 UTC
Apple "All of those questions, messages, and stern commands that people have been whispering to Siri are stored on Apple servers for up to two years, Wired can now report. Yesterday, we raised concerns about some fuzzy disclosures in Siri's privacy policy. After our story ran, Apple spokeswoman Trudy Muller called to explain Apple's policy, something privacy advocates have asking for." Apple cares about your privacy.
Thread beginning with comment 559439
To view parent comment, click here.
To read all comments associated with this story, please click here.
RE[12]: caring
by Alfman on Mon 22nd Apr 2013 09:23 UTC in reply to "RE[11]: caring"
Alfman
Member since:
2011-01-28

MOS6510,

"I consider pressure an active force influenced on someone or something to achieve something."

I'll concede there might be different types of pressure. What you are referring to is more like an active campaign against the company to get them to change. That doesn't fit here. Never the less, there is public pressure for companies not to do the wrong thing in the first place without waiting for a direct confrontation, which is what I've been referring to.

"Do you feel pressured to stop for a red light?"

Don't you? Other examples could be a stop sign, or school speed zone. Many people adapt their behaviour to avoid consequences and not because they want to. Corporations are the same way. If we get rid of all these silly examples, I think that maybe you and I could agree on this point.


"Despite laws people are still getting murdered, sometimes in groups. I doubt many murders were prevented, because someone was pressured by the law not to kill someone."

I do disagree here, without laws, there would be a lot more violent crime. I believe there is a deep rooted connection from a young age to follow the rules. Maybe I'm wrong.


"In this case were are talking about a spokeswoman answering a question. How did we get from her to movies set in the past, the Roman Empire and the dark side of human nature?"

Blame Jared for that tangent, I was just responding to the murder question and trying in vein to run with it. I didn't like the example either because it was hardly representative of typical people. On that note, I should thank you for choosing a red light example instead ;)

Reply Parent Score: 3

RE[13]: caring
by MOS6510 on Mon 22nd Apr 2013 09:40 in reply to "RE[12]: caring"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

I was once stopped by 3(!) policemen for walking through a red light, but never mind that.

I agree that laws and rules prevent unwanted actions and events. But what I argue is that "pressure" is something that is actively applied and doesn't need to have a basis in law.

Apple isn't breaking any laws offering an iPhone without a keyboard. One can apply pressure to have them build on with a keyboard. Pressure was put on Apple to make Tim Cook visit Chinese workers for example.

A red light or a law forbidding murder are things you are aware off when planning your next move, but these laws don't actively apply pressure. They are more a factor in a combination of personal morals, needs/wants and calculated risks.

Laws you can break or obey, pressure you can resist or give in to.

Regardless of definitions, I don't think companies would do really nasty things or they would lose their customers. It gets bad when they band together and you're left with no choice.

Reply Parent Score: 2

RE[14]: caring
by Alfman on Mon 22nd Apr 2013 10:08 in reply to "RE[13]: caring"
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

MOS6510,

"I agree that laws and rules prevent unwanted actions and events. But what I argue is that 'pressure' is something that is actively applied and doesn't need to have a basis in law."

Really? When we talked about "peer pressure", I think it's usually passive rather than active. Kids didn't start drugs because they were actively pressured into doing it, it seems like more of a passive sort of thing. But if you want to use a different word for it, it's fine by me.

"I don't think companies would do really nasty things or they would lose their customers. It gets bad when they band together and you're left with no choice."

Agree, this is what I was trying to get at with Jared. Even if we don't want to call it pressure, the public reaction is something that prevents them from behaving too badly in the first place.

Edited 2013-04-22 10:09 UTC

Reply Parent Score: 2