Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 15th May 2013 21:46 UTC
Google "Wired has obtained a copy of a cease and desist letter sent by Google to Microsoft today, demanding Microsoft immediately remove the YouTube app from its Windows Phone Store and disable existing copies on consumers' devices by May 22. The YouTube app for Windows Phone - developed by Microsoft not Google - strips out ads and allows downloading, both violations of YouTube's terms of service." Incredibly petty. Just come up with a solution, you bunch of kids.
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Petty?
by jockm on Wed 15th May 2013 21:56 UTC
jockm
Member since:
2012-12-22

Um if MS is violating Google's TOS then I don't think I would call it petty. And isn't the solution for MS to either negotiate with Google for an exemption or to conform to the TOS?

This seems like a real issue to me. You might think adblocking and downloading should be allowed, and that is a subject for debate, but they are still things Google expressly forbids.

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RE: Petty?
by Nelson on Wed 15th May 2013 22:02 in reply to "Petty?"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Microsoft has been being stonewalled by Google since 2010 for YouTube on Windows Phone.

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RE[2]: Petty?
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Wed 15th May 2013 22:25 in reply to "RE: Petty?"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Well, Google hasn't been able to get xbox integration into its phones either. So ? Should Microsoft allow google to hack together a solution into Xbox Live because Microsoft won't create an app for android/chrome?

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RE[2]: Petty?
by silviucc on Wed 15th May 2013 22:39 in reply to "RE: Petty?"
silviucc Member since:
2009-12-05

It's Google's call to stonewall or not. Their site, their content, their rules.

You know what? MS has been stonewalling Linux users and does not bother to release their Office suite for the mentioned OS. They had to be strong-armed to release documents so alternative suites could provide interop with MS Office. The same goes for Samba.

It's fine and dandy that they stonewall. Their software, their rules, however it feels crappy when the page turns, doesn't it? Maybe some day, MS will learn to play nice with the other kids. Until then, they should stop whining.

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RE[2]: Petty?
by jockm on Wed 15th May 2013 22:42 in reply to "RE: Petty?"
jockm Member since:
2012-12-22

And that sucks, but it also doesn't give MS the right to circumvent Google's TOS. It isn't like WP users can't access youtube, but that they have to do so though the browser.

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RE: Petty?
by Shannara on Wed 15th May 2013 22:06 in reply to "Petty?"
Shannara Member since:
2005-07-06

This is like saying US laws should be enforced outside the US .. Google has done some majorly F'd up things in the last year.

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RE[2]: Petty?
by jockm on Wed 15th May 2013 22:45 in reply to "RE: Petty?"
jockm Member since:
2012-12-22

Well for right or wrong, EULA's in the US are more or less binding contracts. Google and MS are US companies, and are thus bound by these terms. Bad behavior on one sides part does not justify bad behavior on the other side.

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RE: Petty?
by kaiwai on Wed 15th May 2013 23:32 in reply to "Petty?"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

Um if MS is violating Google's TOS then I don't think I would call it petty. And isn't the solution for MS to either negotiate with Google for an exemption or to conform to the TOS?

This seems like a real issue to me. You might think adblocking and downloading should be allowed, and that is a subject for debate, but they are still things Google expressly forbids.


It is petty because all this could have been avoided had Google actually just stepped up and provided an official YouTube application for Windows Phone. I'm not a Windows Phone user and thus I don't have a horse in the race but it doesn't change the fact that if Google refuses to provide an official client then what is Microsoft supposed to do - sit back and allow Google to use the stranglehold they have on the smart phone OS market and content market to leverage each other? I mean, I'm not Microsoft fan but if Microsoft was doing something like what Google is doing you wouldn't hear the end of it from the haters.

Edited 2013-05-15 23:34 UTC

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RE[2]: Petty?
by tylerdurden on Thu 16th May 2013 00:09 in reply to "RE: Petty?"
tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

Using your "logic," since Microsoft does not provide an official version of their Office suite for Linux... it is totally OK if I completely ignore the terms of their EULA and just run a pirated copy of the software under a WINE wrapper.


In any case, it's being fascinating seeing Apple, Google, and Microsoft trying to out-asshole each other.

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