Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 28th May 2013 13:03 UTC, submitted by Jacek Piszczek
Morphos "The MorphOS development team is proud to announce the public release of MorphOS 3.2, which introduces support for Power Mac G5 workstations, iBook G4 laptops and additional PowerBook G4 models. The 3.2 release also has a strong focus on improved network support with a completely new and improved NetStack core as well as support for wireless networks. In addition, there are several new network-related tools such as VNC client, a Remote Desktop Client and a tool showing detailed network statistics as well as many other fixes and improvements."
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RE[4]: Comment by MOS6510
by jockm on Thu 30th May 2013 16:29 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by MOS6510"
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2012-12-22

I think you miss MOS6510's point, at least as I understand it.

MorphOS is interesting, but it is expensive. Their pricing structure is doing them no favors, IMHO. There are three separate price points for the exact same OS, the price varying based on the hardware you are using.

The other thing is they have locked themselves into PPC. Which means if you want to try MorphOS you either have to buy expensive new hardware, or out of date and out of service old hardware.

I personally think they would do themselves great good by picking a single SKU, and expanding their support to include ARM based hardware like the Raspberry Pi, Beaglebone, pcDuino, et al.

PS: They have one other little problem, I find rather amusing: go to http://www.morphos.de and try and figure out how to buy their product. Hell to even find out the price(s) you have to go to "Help Desk" and go down a few questions.

Edited 2013-05-30 16:35 UTC

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RE[5]: Comment by MOS6510
by -ujb- on Thu 30th May 2013 22:16 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by MOS6510"
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2005-10-21

I understand that the price tag is a little steep. And the different prices may seem a bit random. And PPC has no future. That's alright (no sarcasm included).

I think at least if the price would be below 100 EUR for all systems that would sound much better. Then again the expensive price tag gets a lot better when you know that updates are free (my 1st registered machine got 10 updates for free already).
My price sugesstion to the MorphOS team was 79 EUR. For the already longer supported machine that is indeed the current price tag. The price policy to register machines instead of copies is unusual, but quite attractive. That way you can be rather sure everyone has the current OS version, there's really no reason to skip an update - that's good for developers as they can adapt new features w/o thinking about whether the user base will update or not. But on first seight registration fee looks high with such a system.

And getting rid of PowerPC is the major problem MorphOS has to face (albeit I personally stll like ppc). With the old Apple kit at least prices for suitable machines are low. A used powermac G4 doesn't cost much more than a Raspberry Pi. Yeah, it's old, it's bulky, but pretty powerful (compared to the Raspberry Pi - not to an i7 of course).
My used Powerbook costed me less than my Atom netbook and eats that one pretty much for breakfast. Relying on used hardware is not really attractive on first sight, but actually it's good for ecology and your wallet. Of course eveyone would be glad if powerful new hardware for MorphOS would be available, but currently MorphOS is PPC trapped. This will very likely change in future, but not tomorrow as it will lead to major changes of the system and introduce incompability to legacy software. And coming from the Amiga heritage one of MorphOS goals was always to maintain a very high Amiga compability (it's kind of fun to use 25 year old software still natively).

Thing is, MorphOS community knows pretty well about the problems present. But with the given constraints MorphOS makes he best out of the situation. And one constraint is to stay original. Who thought that in 2013 (19 years after Commodore died) there are still actively developed Amiga systems (beside MorphOS there's also AROS and OS4) that actually are at least remotely current.

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RE[6]: Comment by MOS6510
by jockm on Fri 31st May 2013 02:50 in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by MOS6510"
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2012-12-22

I understand that the price tag is a little steep


Oh yes.

And the different prices may seem a bit random.


Not random, but based on a strategy (capability based pricing) that normally only applies to enterprise systems, not consumer grade. Nor do they do anything to justify why there are these price differences.

I think at least if the price would be below 100 EUR for all systems that would sound much better.


Even at 99 EUR it is still more expensive than Windows 8 (just for comparison), and if far less capable. It might run well on that hardware, but to the best of my knowledge it still doesn't have WiFi support (and I would love to be proved wrong). And that is dealbreaker for 20XX (pick almost any year in the last decade and that statement is still true).


And getting rid of PowerPC is the major problem MorphOS has to face (albeit I personally stll like ppc). With the old Apple kit at least prices for suitable machines are low. A used powermac G4 doesn't cost much more than a Raspberry Pi. Yeah, it's old, it's bulky, but pretty powerful (compared to the Raspberry Pi - not to an i7 of course).


Personally I think it was shortsighted to lock themselves in to a single architecture back when they started. Portable OS's started in the 60s, those who fail to learn those lessons — hell fail to learn the lessons of AmigaOS itself which was largely written in an obscure language (BCPL) and depended to much on CPU dependent assembly — pay the price for it.

Yes I can go out and buy old macs for a song, mind you they are power hungry, bulky, and evolutionary dead ends. Its easy to find them now, but it won't be long before that statement isn't true anymore.

Who thought that in 2013 (19 years after Commodore died) there are still actively developed Amiga systems (beside MorphOS there's also AROS and OS4) that actually are at least remotely current.


N.E.R.D — Nothing Ever Really Dies. There are emulators for for almost every major OS made. A few years ago I was contacted by a company that wanted to move software from their DataGeneral Nova (not SuperNova, but the original) hardware to a PC running an emulator.

You can still get "Atari" systems that run something that when you squint could be called "TOS". Hell you can still get "Sinclair QL" systems that run the unofficial successor to QDOS.

I wouldn't go that far as to call any of the hardware out today to be an Amiga. MorphOS, AROS, et al, share a OS heritage, but as a guy who owned one of the first 1000 Amigas ever made, and did professional development on one, I wouldn't call any of the current systems Amiga.

The Amiga hardware was a philosophy of tightly integrated hardware and software for a peak multimedia experience — and came with significant compromises to do so. And like all tightly integrated dedicated systems it did amazing things, and then was outshined by generalist modular approaches.

The only "Amiga" out there that comes close to the original vision is the "X1000" which doesn't even showcase its own technology well.

Even in the ARM world the Efika MX SmartTop — which can't run MorphOS, and can't be purchased at the moment, but I am making a point — compares poorly in almost every way to the BeagleBone Black. If MorphOS didn't limit itself to an increasingly obscure hardware platform, they could leverage others advances in hardware.

Thing is, MorphOS community knows pretty well about the problems present. But with the given constraints MorphOS makes he best out of the situation. And one constraint is to stay original.


I wish I had your optimism. I am afraid I don't. People can keep a hobby going for a surprisingly long time (I know this from personal experience), but one day you wake up and realize just how much weight you are carrying around.

Were it me back around the turn of the millennia, I would have taken linux as the base OS, ditched X, and used AROS as the graphics and GUI layer. Today I would tweak that formula a bit. It would be its own set of compromises, but it would have come with portability, device support, and more.

I don't think there is anything else I have to add to this conversation, so I give you the honor of the last word. Enjoy!

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