Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 28th Jul 2013 14:06 UTC
General Development "There is a reason I use 'old' languages like J or Lush. It's not a retro affectation; I save that for my suits. These languages are designed better than modern ones. There is some survivor bias here; nobody slings PL/1 or Cobol willingly, but modern language and package designers don't seem to learn much from the masters. Modern code monkeys don't even recognize mastery; mastery is measured in dollars or number of users, which is a poor substitute for distinguishing between what is good and what is dumb. Lady Gaga made more money than Beethoven, but, like, so what?" This isn't just a thing among programmers. The entire industry is obsessed with user numbers, number of applications, and other crap that is meaningless when you consider programming to be art. When I post a new item about some small hobby operating system, the comments will be filled with negativity because it's no Windows or iOS, whereas only ten years ago, we'd have lively discussions about the implementation details. And then people wonder why that scene has died out.
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RE: Forgotten past
by panzi on Sun 28th Jul 2013 19:47 UTC in reply to "Forgotten past"
panzi
Member since:
2006-01-22

I think one has to write some programs (more than hello world) in these kind of languages, just to recognize what's possible, what paradigms are out there and to get an understanding what is suited for what:
a low-level language (e.g. C, maybe write a compiler for a very simple language that compiles to assembler)
a object oriented language (C++, Java, C#)
a dynamically typed language (Python, Ruby, JavaScript)
a language with meta-classes (Python, Smalltalk; although I think Python meta-classes > Smalltalk meta-classes)
a functional language (Haskell; it's the best choice if your goal is to understand what it truly means to write functional code)
a logic orientated language (Prolog)

Also use at least two query languages (SQL, SPARQL, XPath) and compare different kinds of "generics" (C++ Templates, Java Generics, C# Generics). And these days maybe also a language like Go or Rust. I actually haven't written any programs in these myself. Hmm, how would you classify these languages?

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RE[2]: Forgotten past
by Wafflez on Sun 28th Jul 2013 20:37 in reply to "RE: Forgotten past"
Wafflez Member since:
2011-06-26

Well today I watched this hilarious Scala presentation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH75sJAR0hc

And I feel that putting Java and C# in the same "directory" is so wrong. He touts on how Scala improves Java. And I agree. But compared to C# only valid point is less verboosines. Writing var, predicates for LINQ and using async - yeah I do that in C#.

But it's cool to hate C# and suggest Java to others, because you need not to only buy a server, but buy a Windows Server OS (that comes with a GUI and eats tons of megabytes of RAM just to do nothing, OH THE HORROR) and SQL Server. And it's from Microsoft.

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RE[3]: Forgotten past
by BluenoseJake on Sun 28th Jul 2013 21:53 in reply to "RE[2]: Forgotten past"
BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

Windows Server hasn't needed a gui for the last few releases. They even suggest that Server Core, as it is called is the preferred configuration

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RE[2]: Forgotten past
by Wafflez on Sun 28th Jul 2013 20:38 in reply to "RE: Forgotten past"
Wafflez Member since:
2011-06-26

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Edited 2013-07-28 20:39 UTC

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