Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 16th Aug 2013 16:10 UTC
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In the past two months, Microsoft and Google have been bickering over one central issue: HTML5. The Verge has learned that Google is forcing Microsoft to build its YouTube Windows Phone app in HTML5, despite its own Android and iOS versions using superior native code. Although Microsoft has offered to build ad support along with making other tweaks as Google has requested, a full HTML5 app isn't currently possible on the platform.

The difficult thing here is that Google actually has a very good case; it's their API, their service, their rules. On top of that, YouTube publishers - big and small - need to earn money from advertisements too, and incorrect implementations make that harder. Microsoft's mafia practices regarding patents, extorting companies to pay for Android use even though Microsoft has contributed zero code to Android plays a role too. Lastly, Windows Phone is essentially irrelevant with 3% market share - it's not as if Microsoft ever concerned itself with minority platforms.

Still, all this does is hurt consumers, no matter how few Windows Phone users there are. Just work this out, please, you bunch of children.

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Thank you Microsoft
by reduz on Fri 16th Aug 2013 16:32 UTC
reduz
Member since:
2006-02-25

Thank you for:
-Making it so difficult for people to dual-boot other operating systems for so many decades, both in software and by threatening OEMs.
-For making it so difficult to inter-operate with your closed file formats and network protocols.
-For creating incompatible html implementations in your web browser
-For dismissing and even trying to destroy open standard APIs such as OpenGL.
-For trying to kill competition acting as a patent troll.

When you are the little guy, you cry like a baby because you can't get Youtube or because Google won't use your own propertary APIs, and even go as far as blaming Google of not being open when you are not 1/1000th as open as Google! I know you are trying to change but you only did a few baby steps.

No pity for you.

Edited 2013-08-16 16:33 UTC

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RE: Thank you Microsoft
by macrules on Fri 16th Aug 2013 16:42 in reply to "Thank you Microsoft"
macrules Member since:
2006-02-07

definitely no pity nor sympathy for you MS...
I also don't have any for G00gle either..

Edited 2013-08-16 16:43 UTC

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RE: Thank you Microsoft
by Alfman on Fri 16th Aug 2013 17:02 in reply to "Thank you Microsoft"
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

reduz,

"-Making it so difficult for people to dual-boot other operating systems for so many decades, both in software and by threatening OEMs."

Was dual booting ever really a problem prior to windows 8? And fortunately for us they didn't end up enforcing secure boot restrictions on x86. They do need to back off the dual boot prohibitions on ARM though.

"-For making it so difficult to inter-operate with your closed file formats and network protocols."

Yea, that's always sucked. They deliberately avoided and broke standards to eliminate competitive threats. It was arguably a successful strategy though.


"-For trying to kill competition acting as a patent troll."

I think this statement applies more to apple. I don't think MS sought to block competitors using patents so much as take profits from them. While it is ridiculous when one company collects royalties on software implementations they had zero contributions to, it's still better than a patent holder who uses the courts to block competitors outright.

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RE[2]: Thank you Microsoft
by jgagnon on Fri 16th Aug 2013 17:15 in reply to "RE: Thank you Microsoft"
jgagnon Member since:
2008-06-24

XP, Vista, and Windows 7 will all wipe your MBR without warning when installing on a system that has another, non-Windows OS on it. So, yeah, they make it harder to dual boot even prior to Windows 8.

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RE[2]: Thank you Microsoft
by Fergy on Fri 16th Aug 2013 20:07 in reply to "RE: Thank you Microsoft"
Fergy Member since:
2006-04-10

"-For trying to kill competition acting as a patent troll."

I think this statement applies more to apple. I don't think MS sought to block competitors using patents so much as take profits from them. While it is ridiculous when one company collects royalties on software implementations they had zero contributions to, it's still better than a patent holder who uses the courts to block competitors outright.

MS gets money from almost every Android phone.

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