Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 16th Aug 2013 16:10 UTC
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In the past two months, Microsoft and Google have been bickering over one central issue: HTML5. The Verge has learned that Google is forcing Microsoft to build its YouTube Windows Phone app in HTML5, despite its own Android and iOS versions using superior native code. Although Microsoft has offered to build ad support along with making other tweaks as Google has requested, a full HTML5 app isn't currently possible on the platform.

The difficult thing here is that Google actually has a very good case; it's their API, their service, their rules. On top of that, YouTube publishers - big and small - need to earn money from advertisements too, and incorrect implementations make that harder. Microsoft's mafia practices regarding patents, extorting companies to pay for Android use even though Microsoft has contributed zero code to Android plays a role too. Lastly, Windows Phone is essentially irrelevant with 3% market share - it's not as if Microsoft ever concerned itself with minority platforms.

Still, all this does is hurt consumers, no matter how few Windows Phone users there are. Just work this out, please, you bunch of children.

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Why insist on HTML5?
by Tony Swash on Fri 16th Aug 2013 18:20 UTC
Tony Swash
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2009-08-22

Does anybody know why Google is insisting that the Microsoft Youtube app be built using HTML5?

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RE: Why insist on HTML5?
by WereCatf on Fri 16th Aug 2013 18:23 in reply to "Why insist on HTML5?"
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2006-02-15

Does anybody know why Google is insisting that the Microsoft Youtube app be built using HTML5?


It's kind of obvious that we can't know for certain, but I would hazard a guess that they insist on it being built using HTML5 just to mess with Microsoft. I cannot think of any good technical reason for this move, that's fer shure.

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RE[2]: Why insist on HTML5?
by tkeith on Fri 16th Aug 2013 18:35 in reply to "RE: Why insist on HTML5?"
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2010-09-01

Read the comment below yours. Just because you couldn't think of a reason doesn't mean there isn't one.

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RE: Why insist on HTML5?
by zadintuvas on Fri 16th Aug 2013 18:26 in reply to "Why insist on HTML5?"
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2012-07-23

I think that way they could deliver video player together with the video and manage how ads are shown, how permission to view videos on mobile devices is enforced.

Microsoft was not following Youtube TOS when they allowed to download Youtube videos and didn't show ads in their app earlier.

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RE[2]: Why insist on HTML5?
by lucas_maximus on Fri 16th Aug 2013 19:07 in reply to "RE: Why insist on HTML5?"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

They have turned it into a pissing match now.

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RE[2]: Why insist on HTML5?
by Tony Swash on Fri 16th Aug 2013 20:14 in reply to "RE: Why insist on HTML5?"
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2009-08-22

My assumption wads that it was a decision driven by selling advertising, Google are an advertising company after all.

What I don't understand, and I have no knowledge of any of this stuff so please fill me in if the answer is obvious, is why Google could not enforce the no download, inclusion of ads stuff in a native app, why do they need HTML5 to enforce that?

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RE: Why insist on HTML5?
by Soulbender on Fri 16th Aug 2013 20:12 in reply to "Why insist on HTML5?"
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2005-08-18

Does anybody know why Google is insisting that the Microsoft Youtube app be built using HTML5?


Because Google are assholes? I dunno, beats me.
The YouTube branding guidelines says nothing about html5 and even says that you don't need special approval to use the API.

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RE[2]: Why insist on HTML5?
by lucas_maximus on Fri 16th Aug 2013 20:20 in reply to "RE: Why insist on HTML5?"
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2009-08-18

Bingo

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RE[2]: Why insist on HTML5?
by cdude on Fri 16th Aug 2013 22:23 in reply to "RE: Why insist on HTML5?"
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2008-09-21

Wait, wait. Its Microsoft part of the story that Google forced them to do a HTML5 app. If that's true, if there where alternate suggestions on the table, if its actually a hybrid-app with a HTML5-layer for the youtube-API only (the video-frame + controls + ad-space), is absolute unclear. It was just not named.

I don't trust or believe Microsoft's lawyers (and lawyers in general), who wrote that blog about enforcing HTML5, a single word. I doubt they have any technical expertise to know about such details but are willing to turn anything often enough around and stretch words to make the point that the Google-enemy is anti-trusting them.

Google's statement is that Microsoft violates youtube ToS and youtube ToS name NOWHERE a HTML5 requirement. Do you believe Microsoft wouldn't fight hard through all courts on this planet if Google forces them to do things to fulfit a TOS that are not required by the TOS? Really? I serious doubt it.

Also read the exact wording. "We worked together with Google ... Google asked us" - That's lawyer-speach, ASKED us and NOT enforced! No requirement, Google asked. Nowhere any enforcements or "if not then". If you read that then I cannot find any line that says that this was a requirement. No line, no word, nothing.

Edited 2013-08-16 22:40 UTC

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RE: Why insist on HTML5?
by BallmerKnowsBest on Mon 19th Aug 2013 16:11 in reply to "Why insist on HTML5?"
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2008-06-02

Does anybody know why Google is insisting that the Microsoft Youtube app be built using HTML5?


Why do you even bother trying to pretend that that's a sincere question? Anyone who's the least bit familiar with your posting history knows that you've already come to a conclusion that you desperately want to share, so you try make it look like your conclusion comes out naturally as part of a discussion.

It's pathetically obvious that your "question" is nothing more than a pretense - so that when you inevitably do hop on your soapbox and trot out your favorite dead horse* yet again, you can play dumb and pretend that wasn't your goal all along.

*"OMG advertising company OMG!"

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