Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 26th Aug 2013 14:52 UTC
Windows

Nokia is preparing to back Windows RT by launching a 10.1-inch tablet soon. Sources familiar with Nokia's plans have revealed to The Verge that the tablet, codenamed Sirius, will be launched shortly. While prototype pictures of the device leaked earlier this month, we understand that the final design more closely resembles Nokia's Lumia Windows Phone products.

Nice specifications, but Windows RT. Nobody wants Windows RT, and for good reason. I say this from experience: Windows RT is horrible. It offers nothing over iOS (let alone Android), Metro applications are side projects riddled with bugs, performance issues, and bad design, and the platform barely plays third fiddle compared to iOS and Android, so developers have little interest in it. On top of that, virtually everyone has abandoned Windows RT.

But, I'm pretty sure some people will tell us this tablet will turn Nokia around.

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RE[4]: Comment by _cynic_
by Kivada on Tue 27th Aug 2013 02:29 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by _cynic_"
Kivada
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2010-07-07

You do know how accounting works? It is both possible to have $800M in revenue while having $900M in write offs against future purchases. You do know that this is taken from Microsoft's own financials, right?

The revenue figure was cited only to show upside potential because of high margins on tablets. That would take actual thinking on your part.

The rest of what you say is an aside and not at all related to anything I've claimed, especially not the health and unit sales of Nokia, just to burn down that strawman


You can stop being so disingenuous about the numbers about a product that by all measures is a complete and total failure that single handedly took one of the best and largest market share phone companies and nearly forced them out of the market.

Elop was Microsoft's parasite to spread the Windows disease to mobile yet again but this time have it completely infect a company. It has failed just as bad as every other mobile project from Microsoft with the added tragedy of taking Nokia down with it.

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RE[5]: Comment by _cynic_
by Nelson on Tue 27th Aug 2013 03:10 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by _cynic_"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29


You can stop being so disingenuous about the numbers about a product that by all measures is a complete and total failure that single handedly took one of the best and largest market share phone companies and nearly forced them out of the market.


Complete and total failure with double digit volume growth quarter over quarter and year over year, you have a peculiar definition of failure.

However, in the interest of not rehashing arguments I've brought up in literally every Nokia thread (which is ignored and often lost on the delusional) I'll leave you to believe what you wish and we'll revisit the topic when their quarterly results show another volume increase and further stabilization of financials.

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RE[6]: Comment by _cynic_
by allanregistos on Tue 27th Aug 2013 05:43 in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by _cynic_"
allanregistos Member since:
2011-02-10

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You can stop being so disingenuous about the numbers about a product that by all measures is a complete and total failure that single handedly took one of the best and largest market share phone companies and nearly forced them out of the market.


Complete and total failure with double digit volume growth quarter over quarter and year over year, you have a peculiar definition of failure.

However, in the interest of not rehashing arguments I've brought up in literally every Nokia thread (which is ignored and often lost on the delusional) I'll leave you to believe what you wish and we'll revisit the topic when their quarterly results show another volume increase and further stabilization of financials.
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Nelson, I have not read almost all your posts. But let us take this simply with a question:

Do you consider Windows RT Tablet(Yes, tablet only) a success in the past up to the present? Please explain if your answer is yes.

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RE[6]: Comment by _cynic_
by enx23 on Tue 27th Aug 2013 08:02 in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by _cynic_"
enx23 Member since:
2008-12-17

Complete and total failure with double digit volume growth quarter over quarter and year over year, you have a peculiar definition of failure.


I think that you Nelson have a very peliculiar definition of failure!

It is very easy to get double digit volume growth quarter over quarter when one has small numbers. By this definition if one sells one mobile phone today and another 50 next quarter will have triple digit volume growth! I think that according to these kind of measures the company Jolla (see www.jolla.com) will look even better than Apple, Samsung! Jolla will have an infinite volume growth quarter over quarter (some number divided by zero)!

"Double digit volume growth quarter over quarter and year over year" can be seen very often when one has less than 5% of the market!

Here are some more appropiate measures of failure:
- Nokia had over 30% of the market in 2010 and now it has 3%-4% of the market => 10 fold decrease for Nokia!
- Windows Mobile has ~12% of the market (during Gates time) and now the Windows Phone has 3%-4% of the market => clearly the todayƤ's strategy of Windows for mobile phones is even worst than in Gates' times!
- Nokia was number one mobile manufacturer of smartphones in 2010 and today is number 10!

Edited 2013-08-27 08:06 UTC

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