Linked by Howard Fosdick on Thu 29th Aug 2013 03:50 UTC
QNX According to a Computerworld article, BlackBerry is exploring putting itself up for sale, as the company falls into 4th place in the mobile market. IDC statistics that show Android leads the mobile market with nearly 80%, iOS has 13.2%, Windows Phone 3.7%, and BlackBerry 2.9%. Gartner analyst Bill Menezes states that even new ownership is "not going to address how the company restores itself."

One key asset BlackBerry owns is QNX, the real-time based OS it bought in 2010. QNX is microkernel based, versus the monolithic kernel used by many OS's like Linux. BlackBerry bases its tablet and phone OS's on QNX, which also remains a popular commercial OS for embedded systems.
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RE[3]: Comment by Nelson
by pgquiles on Sat 31st Aug 2013 23:38 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Nelson"
pgquiles
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This is what Nokia would be going through had they stuck with MeeGo.


Huh? No, let me get this straight to you, from a developer point of view.

Every developer on Earth was on bed with Nokia going MeeGo and Qt. Everybody. We were all delighted because the portability of Qt meant we could develop a single C++ codebase and reuse most of it. You could have gone and ask the top 1,000 development houses and they all had said "yes, we are going to develop for MeeGo" without blinking.

Now, when Nokia decided to change from MeeGo to Windows Phone 7.5, 99% of the developers thought Nokia was crazy. They lost most of the developer community and nobody can tell me otherwise because I saw it from inside!

WP 7.5 required to develop from scratch because you could only do .NET or Silverlight (which is WPF "light"). Who was going to develop for WP 7.5? Nobody. The few developers who had tried to develop for WP7 had lost it all because nobody was buying WP devices. Not only that, WP 7.5 was so crappy it was plain impossible to get something decent done on that platform!

If Nokia had kept on the MeeGo plan, they would be #2 today (behind Android because, you know, every brand and their neighbor are releasing Android phones).

Edited 2013-08-31 23:38 UTC

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RE[4]: Comment by Nelson
by Nelson on Sun 1st Sep 2013 00:24 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Nelson"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29


Huh? No, let me get this straight to you, from a developer point of view.


This should be interesting.


Every developer on Earth was on bed with Nokia going MeeGo and Qt. Everybody. We were all delighted because the portability of Qt meant we could develop a single C++ codebase and reuse most of it.


It is interesting, because every developer on Earth does not use Qt, or even cared about MeeGo. Let's tone down the exaggerations a bit. It may be fair to say a sizable amount were interested in MeeGo, but was it more than the 30,000 Windows Phone developers Microsoft had around launch?

And is the potential target demographic for Qt larger than for .NET? There are an estimated 8 million .NET developers (as of 2012).


You could have gone and ask the top 1,000 development houses and they all had said "yes, we are going to develop for MeeGo" without blinking.


That's completely unfounded and speculative on your part.


Now, when Nokia decided to change from MeeGo to Windows Phone 7.5, 99% of the developers thought Nokia was crazy. They lost most of the developer community and nobody can tell me otherwise because I saw it from inside!


99%? Top 1000 shops? Every developer on earth? Are you going to just keep making statistics up?


WP 7.5 required to develop from scratch because you could only do .NET or Silverlight (which is WPF "light").


It required a rewrite from scratch unless..you used Silverlight or WPF or had an existing .NET application.

There were over 100 million Silverlight downloads and thousands of Silverlight developers, and a ton of Microsoft shops adopted it for LOB purposes.


Who was going to develop for WP 7.5? Nobody. The few developers who had tried to develop for WP7 had lost it all because nobody was buying WP devices.


That's an overstatement. There were tens of thousands of Windows Phone developers at launch. A lot of developers, ones I know personally made a decent amount of money on Windows Phone by being the first in the store -- furthermore Windows Phone growth has accelerated since then and I myself extract a decent amount of revenue from the Store.


Not only that, WP 7.5 was so crappy it was plain impossible to get something decent done on that platform!


Obviously it depends, all platforms have limitations, and there is a lot that Qt and QML make plain difficult.



If Nokia had kept on the MeeGo plan, they would be #2 today (behind Android because, you know, every brand and their neighbor are releasing Android phones).


Hahaha.

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RE[5]: Comment by Nelson
by pgquiles on Sun 1st Sep 2013 08:25 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Nelson"
pgquiles Member since:
2006-07-16

It is interesting, because every developer on Earth does not use Qt, or even cared about MeeGo. Let's tone down the exaggerations a bit. It may be fair to say a sizable amount were interested in MeeGo, but was it more than the 30,000 Windows Phone developers Microsoft had around launch?


Every developer who developed for Nokia platforms was already into Qt or getting into Qt. And yes, that's way more than the 30,000 WP Microsoft REPORTED to have around launch.

And I say REPORTED because WP users are still expecting those developers to show and actually DEVELOP anything. The amount and quality of applications in the Microsoft store is laughable!


And is the potential target demographic for Qt larger than for .NET? There are an estimated 8 million .NET developers (as of 2012).


Still waiting for those 8 million developers to show in WP...

That's completely unfounded and speculative on your part.


That's based on actual statistics. It looks like you were not in the Nokia ecosystem, which was the dominant


It required a rewrite from scratch unless..you used Silverlight or WPF or had an existing .NET application.

There were over 100 million Silverlight downloads and thousands of Silverlight developers, and a ton of Microsoft shops adopted it for LOB purposes.


Still waiting for those applications to be ported...

Oh wait, in case you were invested in Silverlight: Microsoft killed it!


A lot of developers, ones I know personally made a decent amount of money on Windows Phone by being the first in the store -- furthermore Windows Phone growth has accelerated since then and I myself extract a decent amount of revenue from the Store.


Well, congratulations, because that's the opposite experience everybody I have talked to have. I know people who are making more money in BlackBerry than in Windows Phone!



Obviously it depends, all platforms have limitations, and there is a lot that Qt and QML make plain difficult.


Errr... OK, I will not take that into account. Free piece of advice: do not ever compare WP7.5 + Silverlight to Meego + Qt and QML (there's widgets, too, in addition to QML) or you will be laughed at.

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