Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 5th Oct 2013 11:34 UTC
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Microsoft is talking to HTC about adding its Windows operating system to HTC's Android-based smartphones at little or no cost, people with knowledge of the matter said, evidence of the software maker's struggle to gain ground in the mobile market.

Terry Myerson, head of Microsoft's operating systems unit, asked HTC last month to load Windows Phone as a second option on handsets with Google's rival software, said the people, who asked not to be identified because the talks are private. Myerson discussed cutting or eliminating the license fee to make the idea more attractive, the people said. The talks are preliminary and no decision has been made, two people said.

I hope HTC and every other Android OEM flips Microsoft the bird. The shoe's on the other foot now, Redmond.

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Comment by kurkosdr
by kurkosdr on Sun 6th Oct 2013 10:13 UTC
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with their OS being forcefully bundled in virtually every computer sold in the world

Umm... No. Nothing, I mean NOTHING prevents you from buying a PC with linux or pc-bsd preinstalled ( http://blog.canonical.com/2013/10/01/ubuntu-pre-installed-and-in-re... ). The reason most PCs you see at your local computer store have Windows in them is because this is what most people want, sorry. Be it for the software (hello Pinnacle Studio, MS Office and Photoshop), the fact you don't have to upgrade to the latest version immediately because most Windows software gets backported to old versions, (while on Linux distros, devs assume you should have the latest version) and because Linux upgrades might break, or just because it's easier to get support from friends (cousin Jimmy) for Windows.

There is no conspiracy. OEMs have no problem selling the majority of smartphones and tablets with Android and selling servers with Linux pre-installed. If there was demand for Desktop Linux, OEMs would pre-install it

(IANAL, but AFAIK, this kind of "linked sale" is illegal in most European countries, but they still get to do it year after year).


Or, it would be that people expect a computer to just work (aka have an OS) when they plug it in, instead of seeing a message like "No operating system found". The nerd fantasy of PCs being sold blank and the user installing the OS of their choice has no application in the real world.

Edited 2013-10-06 10:14 UTC

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RE: Comment by kurkosdr
by darknexus on Sun 6th Oct 2013 11:02 in reply to "Comment by kurkosdr"
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2008-07-15

Or, it would be that people expect a computer to just work (aka have an OS) when they plug it in, instead of seeing a message like "No operating system found". The nerd fantasy of PCs being sold blank and the user installing the OS of their choice has no application in the real world.

Exactly. It's not considered a "linked sale" to use the OP's terminology because one is useless without the other. A computer is useless without an operating system installed, and the OEMs are delivering what 99% of the population want because, you know, that's where the money is. Most people who don't care for Windows go for Macs anyway but, whether Windows or Mac, they come with an os that people can set up and just use right away and usually not break for a few years. A computer is a tool to get work done, not a religion.

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RE[2]: Comment by kurkosdr
by Dano on Sun 6th Oct 2013 13:10 in reply to "RE: Comment by kurkosdr"
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2006-01-22

Exactly. Not even sure how a kernel (Linux) became a religion. What about it is technically (and I mean feature-wise) offering more than WinNT or Mach?

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RE: Comment by kurkosdr
by juzzlin on Mon 7th Oct 2013 20:14 in reply to "Comment by kurkosdr"
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2011-05-06

That's not entirely true. Most people don't even know that there are alternative operating systems due to this Windows monopoly. In my country I have never seen a single Ubuntu laptop in any computer store. There cannot be demand if there's no-one to show people those products.

Nobody wanted iPhone before it was available at the stores. Manufacturers make the demand.

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RE[2]: Comment by kurkosdr
by Dano on Mon 7th Oct 2013 20:54 in reply to "RE: Comment by kurkosdr"
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2006-01-22

I am not aware of what goes on in your country, but in the US, there was a time when Linux was offered on PC's in Walmart and other chain stores. They are still offered online from retailers. From what I heard, people purchased them because the price was low (the machines were low end and even lower priced because there was no OS cost), brought them home, booted them up and then found out that their existing software library would not run because Windows was not on there. Because of this, even with the low price, they promptly returned the machine to the store. Many consumers are just not that savvy. They expect the machine to run software that they are used to. My non-tech savvy brother bought an Apple iMac because it was trendy and he does not do much with his computer except for run Safari and check email. He loves the machine and it's stable for his use, but his wife hates it because neither one of them knew that they could not run the wife's applications that they run at work. Of course, we solved this problem by Bootcamping the machine and adding a Windows 7 installation on the side for her stuff; this goes to show you how not savvy consumers are.

It all really boils down to quality applications. Customers don't really care about the OS underneath because they don't even know what an OS is. Besides, there is nothing wrong with Windows for the consumer, so you are trying to provide a solution to something that is not a problem.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Acer-Black-11.6-Aspire-V5-131-2887-Laptop...

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,589545,00.asp

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2007/10/200-everex-gree/

Edited 2013-10-07 21:05 UTC

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