Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 12th Oct 2013 05:02 UTC
Games

Valve issued a video demonstrating its Steam Controller today. The game pad, which features two track pads in lieu of joysticks, is used for its series of Steam Machines, announced in September.

Looks good.

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RE[4]: Comment by ilovebeer
by Thom_Holwerda on Sun 13th Oct 2013 11:16 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by ilovebeer"
Thom_Holwerda
Member since:
2005-06-29

Current controllers are SO bad the console versions of FPS games have to add several auto-aim and aim assisting mechanisms to even make the games playable.


Uh, for casual players perhaps, but I don't use any aim assist on my Xbox 360 games - where possible, I turn them off. If it's not possible, I'm frustrated by them because they screw up my aim.

That's why I said I feel playing with a mouse is like cheating - there's just no challenge involved for me. L4D on expert on theXbox requires effort - on the PC, it's really just a point and click adventure.

I'm not saying one is better than the other - it's just that I like my games to be challenging, and mouse/keyboard suck all the challenge out of FPS games for me.

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RE[5]: Comment by ilovebeer
by lucas_maximus on Sun 13th Oct 2013 15:50 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by ilovebeer"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

That's why I said I feel playing with a mouse is like cheating - there's just no challenge involved for me. L4D on expert on theXbox requires effort - on the PC, it's really just a point and click adventure.

I'm not saying one is better than the other - it's just that I like my games to be challenging, and mouse/keyboard suck all the challenge out of FPS games for me.


Yeah, yeah. Play some Quake Live and see how long you last.

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RE[5]: Comment by ilovebeer
by mightshade on Sun 13th Oct 2013 23:34 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by ilovebeer"
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2008-11-20

That's why I said I feel playing with a mouse is like cheating - there's just no challenge involved for me. L4D on expert on theXbox requires effort - on the PC, it's really just a point and click adventure.

I'm not saying one is better than the other - it's just that I like my games to be challenging, and mouse/keyboard suck all the challenge out of FPS games for me.

Let me throw in my two cents: I'd consider it fake difficulty to make a game hard by intentionally crippling the controls. If L4D becomes as easy as you say with proper controls even on expert (I don't know L4D, unfortunately), I'd say it has gameplay problems. I would prefer to adjust the game in that area to my liking, if possible.

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RE[5]: Comment by ilovebeer
by Drumhellar on Mon 14th Oct 2013 04:56 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by ilovebeer"
Drumhellar Member since:
2005-07-12

Regardless of auto-aim, console shooters tend to balance the game difficulty and mechanics to accommodate for the limited of precision and response offered with a controller. This gets very clear when you play both the console version and the PC version of a game.

If a game is too easy with mouse and keyboard, it's just not difficult enough. PC-specific games don't have this problem as much.

Edited 2013-10-14 04:59 UTC

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RE[5]: Comment by ilovebeer
by Lava_Croft on Mon 14th Oct 2013 08:41 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by ilovebeer"
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2006-12-24

You just need better games/opponents.

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RE[5]: Comment by ilovebeer
by zima on Sat 19th Oct 2013 23:33 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by ilovebeer"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

That's why I said I feel playing with a mouse is like cheating - there's just no challenge involved for me. L4D on expert on theXbox requires effort - on the PC, it's really just a point and click adventure.

Additionally, some FPS games are actually much better on (dual stick) joypad, most notably Descent clones (too bad they died out a bit; probably because they are not very good on mouse+kb)

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