Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 17th Oct 2013 22:05 UTC, submitted by Drumhellar
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu

After the customary six months of incubation, Ubuntu 13.10 - codenamed Saucy Salamander - has hatched. The new version of the popular Linux distribution brings updated applications and several new features, including augmented search capabilities in the Unity desktop shell.

Although Saucy Salamander offers some useful improvements, it's a relatively thin update. XMir, the most noteworthy item on the 13.10 roadmap, was ultimately deferred for inclusion in a future release. Canonical's efforts during the Saucy development cycle were largely focused on the company's new display server and upcoming Unity overhaul, but neither is yet ready for the desktop.

It's also the first version available for phones. Well, for the Nexus 4.

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RE[2]: Real News agout an OS
by lemur2 on Mon 21st Oct 2013 08:17 UTC in reply to "RE: Real News agout an OS"
lemur2
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2007-02-17

Download the version of your distro from 5 years ago and install it,making sure all the drivers are working, in the case of Ubuntu this would be 10.10 which just FYI support ended in 2012, and then upgrade to current using ONLY the GUI, no CLI or "open Bash and type" allowed as Joe Average doesn't have the skills nor desire to learn CLI and frankly in 2013 they shouldn't have to. If you do this on most systems what you'll end up with is a broken mess, even bog standard hardware like Realtek and Via will often end up with trashed drivers which again in 2013 ia aimply unacceptable.


But ... that's not how you do it. For a Windows system, you have to pay real money for a new version, and user files are often intermingled on the same disk partition as the operating system, so updating the same version piecemeal, update by update ad nauseam for hundreds of update packages is seen as the way to go.

That scenario just doesn't apply for Linux. You may as well upgrade rather than keep updating an older version because it doesn't cost you for your OS over again.

So what you should do is:
- Download the version of your distro from 5 years ago, in the case of Ubuntu this would be 10.10,
- install it with the OS one one partition, the user home directories on another partition, and a third partition for swap, making sure all the drivers are working,
- Save the tail end of the /etc/passwd file for the details of all users (only necessary if you have a number of users),
- Sometime later download the current version 13.10,
- make a bootable USB of version 13.10 (using the tools provided by the OS),
- boot version 13.10 from the USB (make sure that the newer version of drivers all work before you commit further),
- format the OS partition and install the upgrade version back into that partition, leaving the users home directories partition intact,
- reboot, then edit the /etc/passwd file and re-instate the tail end of the file to restore all of your users (only necessary if you have a number of users).

This sounds like a lot of effort, but it really isn't, and it takes waaaaaaaaay less time than updating or upgrading Windows.

One gains the following benefits from following this process: (a) one saves a great deal of time, (b) you get a full upgrade rather than just an update, (c) you don't touch any user's data, and (d) you get to test the new version before you commit to it so there is very low risk.

I have followed this process of updating the desktop Linux OS, more or less, about fifty times across various systems. I followed it again just yesterday on my laptop for Kubuntu version 13.10, from which I am posting this very post.

I only ever had a problem on one occasion, and I simply decided to not commit to that problematic new version of the OS (it had KDE version 4.0), I shutdown, took out the USB and re-booted the older version still on the hard disk. I just skipped that ill-working version and waited for the next one six months later.

Edited 2013-10-21 08:29 UTC

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RE[3]: Real News agout an OS
by lemur2 on Mon 21st Oct 2013 11:15 in reply to "RE[2]: Real News agout an OS"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

then upgrade to current using ONLY the GUI, no CLI or "open Bash and type" allowed as Joe Average doesn't have the skills nor desire to learn CLI and frankly in 2013 they shouldn't have to.


"- Sometime later download the current version 13.10,
- make a bootable USB of version 13.10 (using the tools provided by the OS),
- boot version 13.10 from the USB (make sure that the newer version of drivers all work before you commit further),
- format the OS partition and install the upgrade version back into that partition, leaving the users home directories partition intact,
- reboot, then edit the /etc/passwd file and re-instate the tail end of the file to restore all of your users (only necessary if you have a number of users).
"

BTW, you can easily do all of the above without touching the command line:

http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download
http://www.kde.org/applications/internet/kget/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KTorrent

https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/usb-creator-gtk/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubiquity_%28software%29

http://kate-editor.org/about-kate/

Perhaps not all of your userland applications come with the default install:

http://jontheechidna.wordpress.com/2010/07/05/introducing-qapt-and-...

Enjoy.

Edited 2013-10-21 11:30 UTC

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RE[3]: Real News agout an OS
by bassbeast on Mon 21st Oct 2013 16:49 in reply to "RE[2]: Real News agout an OS"
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2007-11-11

I'm sure that is all true...if your time is worthless. This seems to be a concept that the FOSS community can't/won't grasp, that time has value to most folks and it doesn't take long at all for those "upgrade broke my driers" scenarios to make Windows cheaper than Linux. In my case if I have to spend just 1 hour fixing a driver a year? That Linux system cost me MORE than a Windows license.

Frankly I wish there was a way to force Linus and pals to work retail for just a month to see what their politics actually cost. The first time Linus saw all profits for the month dry up because his kernel fiddling broke major wireless driers? I'm sure he'd change his tune.

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RE[4]: Real News agout an OS
by lemur2 on Tue 22nd Oct 2013 06:42 in reply to "RE[3]: Real News agout an OS"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

I'm sure that is all true...if your time is worthless. This seems to be a concept that the FOSS community can't/won't grasp, that time has value to most folks and it doesn't take long at all for those "upgrade broke my driers" scenarios to make Windows cheaper than Linux. In my case if I have to spend just 1 hour fixing a driver a year? That Linux system cost me MORE than a Windows license.

Frankly I wish there was a way to force Linus and pals to work retail for just a month to see what their politics actually cost. The first time Linus saw all profits for the month dry up because his kernel fiddling broke major wireless driers? I'm sure he'd change his tune.


Exactly what part of "it is way quicker to upgrade Linux than to update Windows" and "you get to test the new version before you commit to it" did you fail to understand?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubiquity_%28software%29

I quote: When reviewing Ubuntu 10.10, Ryan Paul from Ars Technica said “During my tests, I was able to perform a complete installation in less than 15 minutes.”

Here is a 51 second video of someone using the Muon Software Centre to search for a package, read a description and get a screenshot, have a quick look at user comments on it, download it, install it and test run it. Yes, I did say 51 seconds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKIw8O5WEp0

To keep Linux updated and upgraded, we are talking maybe 30 minutes total time spent every six months.

One is lucky to get away with just 30 minutes wasted with Windows updates every second Tuesday, normally it takes a lot longer than that.

If your time is not worthless, then Windows is the OS to avoid, not Linux.

Edited 2013-10-22 06:50 UTC

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