Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 24th Oct 2013 16:02 UTC, submitted by bowkota
Google

Google back in 2005:

There will be no banner ads on the Google homepage or web search results pages.

Google today:

The company confirmed to the Guardian that it is testing a system with about 30 advertisers in the US in which it shows banner ads for companies including SouthWest Airlines on pages which include them in web search results.

And people wonder why I have zero trust in companies.

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RE[6]: Comment by Tractor
by Lennie on Fri 25th Oct 2013 10:39 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by Tractor"
Lennie
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2007-09-22

The Industrial Revolution also made many people unemployed, depending how you look at it. It took 40 to over a 100 years to recover those jobs.

Probably because the next generation of people were educated to do other jobs.

The original jobs were gone.

As automation and robotics improve, the tasks they can do will be more complicated, which takes a human more time to learn to do a better job, eventually you can't learn a completely new job fast enough to keep up with that.

If you are a taxi-driver and your job is gone. What will be your next job ? If you were good at doing something else, you probably wouldn't have chosen taxi-driving in the first place. Am I right ?

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RE[7]: Comment by Tractor
by darknexus on Fri 25th Oct 2013 11:10 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by Tractor"
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

If you are a taxi-driver and your job is gone. What will be your next job ? If you were good at doing something else, you probably wouldn't have chosen taxi-driving in the first place. Am I right ?

I hope you explain just how much you don't respect them before you get in one of their Taxi's next time, asshole. Sometimes you take whatever the hell you can get regardless of what you're good at, and other times those people genuinely enjoy their job. You can always tell those ones by the way, they're the honestly cheerful ones. Do you also look down on the workers who make the gadgets you so prise, or the truck drivers who deliver them to you?
Better get some perspective and get off your elitist ass.

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RE[8]: Comment by Tractor
by Lennie on Fri 25th Oct 2013 11:22 in reply to "RE[7]: Comment by Tractor"
Lennie Member since:
2007-09-22

No, I don't look down on people. I'm really sorry if that is the impression you got.

I'm just saying: learning a completely new job in an other field takes a lot of time and effort. And you are probably unemployed during that time.

And software (businesses trying to be more efficient) is working hard on taking away all the simple tasks.

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RE[7]: Comment by Tractor
by unclefester on Fri 25th Oct 2013 11:19 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by Tractor"
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2007-01-13

A secure and reasonably well paid job is actually a 20th century aberration. It is the exception not the norm throughout human history.

The logical solution is to automate society and pay people a decent basic living allowance regardless of whether they work or not. If they want extra money they can opt to do some sort of part-time work.

Ironically some of the most knowledge based technical jobs are amongst the easiest to replace with technology eg laboratory technicians.

The most secure jobs in future will probably be skilled trades like hairdressing are virtually impossible to automate.

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RE[8]: Comment by Tractor
by Lennie on Fri 25th Oct 2013 11:43 in reply to "RE[7]: Comment by Tractor"
Lennie Member since:
2007-09-22

Agreed about decent basic living. That is why in my original comment http://www.osnews.com/permalink?575525 I mentioned cheap electricity, water and food.

Some people say we should all work less hours, so more people have a job. I don't see that happening.

Instead what I see is more and more people being forced to be self-employed. These don't get to work less hours, maybe more hours.

While payment is staying the same, look at the buttom-left graph:

http://www.technologyreview.com/sites/default/files/images/destroyi...

On the topic of skilled jobs.

You'll have to be more and more skilled, the simple repetitive tasks (maybe not jobs!) will be gone.

The Japanese are pushing hard for many tasks in nursing:
http://japandailypress.com/japan-pushing-for-low-cost-nursing-home-...

Have a look at page 37 for the overview per-industry:
http://www.futuretech.ox.ac.uk/sites/futuretech.ox.ac.uk/files/The_...

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RE[8]: Comment by Tractor
by Lennie on Fri 25th Oct 2013 11:48 in reply to "RE[7]: Comment by Tractor"
Lennie Member since:
2007-09-22

A secure and reasonably well paid job is actually a 20th century aberration. It is the exception not the norm throughout human history.

The logical solution is to automate society and pay people a decent basic living allowance regardless of whether they work or not.


The question I have is: all this change might cause social and political unrest, will we have to see a revolution before we get a proper solution ?

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RE[7]: Comment by Tractor
by unclefester on Fri 25th Oct 2013 11:31 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by Tractor"
unclefester Member since:
2007-01-13


If you are a taxi-driver and your job is gone. What will be your next job ? If you were good at doing something else, you probably wouldn't have chosen taxi-driving in the first place. Am I right ?


Wrong. When I was growing up the janitor a the local hospital was a former surgeon from Poland. Unfortunately His qualifications weren't recognised in Australia. He was middle-aged and it would would have been totally impractical to retrain from scratch (14 years including a six year undergraduate medical degree).

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RE[7]: Comment by Tractor
by sithlord2 on Fri 25th Oct 2013 11:49 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by Tractor"
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2009-04-02


If you are a taxi-driver and your job is gone. What will be your next job ? If you were good at doing something else, you probably wouldn't have chosen taxi-driving in the first place. Am I right ?


You would be surprised how many taxi-drivers and bartenders own a Master degree in Philosophy...

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RE[8]: Comment by Tractor
by Lennie on Fri 25th Oct 2013 13:00 in reply to "RE[7]: Comment by Tractor"
Lennie Member since:
2007-09-22

Well, if some predictions are correct. They'll need their cognitive skills.

See, I don't know what will really happen.

I just know certain tasks will be automated, some predict certain jobs will disappear.

If that means these people will be without a job, well, not if they get enough education in a timely fashion.

What is "enough education" however will increase with time as computers can do more and more cognitive(-like) tasks.

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RE[7]: Comment by Tractor
by M.Onty on Fri 25th Oct 2013 12:01 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by Tractor"
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2009-10-23

If you were good at doing something else, you probably wouldn't have chosen taxi-driving in the first place. Am I right ?


You should have a go at The Knowledge, one of the toughest tests in the world, academia be damned. Being a hackney cab driver in London requires becoming certifiably more knowledgeable about the largest city in Europe than more or less everyone else. Who would put themselves through that for a job they don't care for?

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RE[8]: Comment by Tractor
by Lennie on Fri 25th Oct 2013 12:53 in reply to "RE[7]: Comment by Tractor"
Lennie Member since:
2007-09-22

Thanks. The real question is thus this also apply to for example the US.

And as it is called the knowledge. The question is how much of this task is knowledge and much is creativity that can't be captured in a software algorithm.

Anyways, first automation will make the tasks of the driver easier. I've seen a few developments and they will call it an auto-pilot. Just like with flying and airplane.

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RE[8]: Comment by Tractor
by Lennie on Fri 25th Oct 2013 13:57 in reply to "RE[7]: Comment by Tractor"
Lennie Member since:
2007-09-22

OK, I did a quick Back-of-the-envelope calculation and the average smartphone will have the computing power in 15 years as the IBM Watson machine that won on Jeopardy has now.

Supposedly the software used on the IBM Watson was "embarrassingly parallel" because a large part was just the usual 'big data' software Apache Hadoop running on Linux.

Will that cab-driver be able to compete with that ?

Edited 2013-10-25 14:16 UTC

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