Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 28th Oct 2013 14:26 UTC
Apple

This fascinating documentary was filmed from December 1985 to March 1986 at NeXT's team retreat in Pebble Beach. It offers a rare glimpse of Steve's vision, aspirations and managerial approach.

Remarkable documentary - several planning meetings and discussions during NeXT's early days, with Steve Jobs and his team, many of which also worked on the Macintosh. You have to see this.

Via Typographica.

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RE[3]: Sorry
by tails92 on Mon 28th Oct 2013 21:16 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Sorry"
tails92
Member since:
2007-10-07

Actually, you have a point. OSNews is much less interesting than it used to be; I have been reading this site since 2005 and around late 2009 IMHO it started going downhill. There are rarely, if ever, posts about operating systems anymore - it's all about the last tech trend and mobile and mobile and mobile.. ok, it's the latest hot thing, but this is "OS"news not "smartphone" news.

If I want to read a "smartphone" news site, there are many ones that are much better and up-to-date than OSNews; OSNews used to be the place where you would hear people talk about BeOS, QNX, and niche and obscure operating systems. That was OSNews's strength and what set it apart from the rest...

And before someone starts yelling out, "Alternative OSes" died, they plainly have not, just, perhaps, became even more of a niche than they were - and that is obvious, in a world where most computer and device users are just consumers.

What's the place for OSNews, the way it currently is, nowadays? I wonder... it might generate more advertising revenue - ok, there's no free lunch - but it is becoming more and more irrelevant.. it happened often that other sites would link to original content on OSNews back in the day - now, with very little original content - no links to be found!

Food for thought.

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RE[4]: Sorry
by Thom_Holwerda on Mon 28th Oct 2013 21:18 in reply to "RE[3]: Sorry"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

iOS, Android, Windows Phone, and so on, are not operating systems?

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RE[5]: Sorry
by tails92 on Mon 28th Oct 2013 21:35 in reply to "RE[4]: Sorry"
tails92 Member since:
2007-10-07

They are, obviously, and it is not only perfectly fine to cover them, but "required" for a site which calls itself OSNews.
The issue at hand in my post was somewhat different, though - the fact that there are much better resources if I want a mobile-news site (just off the top of my head, Ars Technica, Gizmodo, etc.), and that this site should be about what it is good at - namely, "operating system" news. Not just mobile device operating systems, but *all* operating systems, from the kitchen sink to military.

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RE[5]: Sorry
by ddc_ on Mon 28th Oct 2013 21:54 in reply to "RE[4]: Sorry"
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2006-12-05

Actually, most items on mobile stuff here are not related to the operating systems themselves - they talk about distribution systems, marketing and market shares, UIs, etc.

At the same time there's quite a lot happening in OSs - Windows 8.1 is out with quite some changes, BSDs have a torrent of really exciting news since this spring, some things are probably happening in Linux (I don't really follow it, but elsewhere I hear of kdbus, redesign of cgroups, Wayland support in major DEs, Canonical's Mir following the fate of Soviet Mir, other tech products of Red Hat vs. Canonical power struggle 10 years ago I wouldn't believe ever possible).

There is a trend of blending technology and things happening around technology (tech entrepreneurship, artistic design, etc.) that is the easiest to observe in last 5 years or so, and OSNews succumbs to it (admittedly slower then many others). It is really sad.

Edited 2013-10-28 21:56 UTC

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RE[4]: Sorry
by burnttoys on Mon 28th Oct 2013 23:32 in reply to "RE[3]: Sorry"
burnttoys Member since:
2008-12-20

And before someone starts yelling out, "Alternative OSes" died, they plainly have not, just, perhaps, became even more of a niche than they were


Software without users is worthless. Quote me.

Any worth, if that can be ascribed it, is titilation, mere self pleasure. However, I cannot (will not!) object to such assignment!

Food for thought.


Most things are but most leave me hungry.

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RE[4]: Sorry
by Morgan on Mon 28th Oct 2013 23:38 in reply to "RE[3]: Sorry"
Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

If I want to read a "smartphone" news site, there are many ones that are much better and up-to-date than OSNews; OSNews used to be the place where you would hear people talk about BeOS, QNX, and niche and obscure operating systems. That was OSNews's strength and what set it apart from the rest...


As someone with a thriving interest in BeOS (and by extension Haiku), QNX, FreeDOS, SyllableOS, the BSDs, Maemo, MeeGo, and several other dead, dying, minor and niche OSes, I will say that this site gives as much coverage as possible without inventing fake news stories. If that's what you're after, please go join a parody or tabloid site. I'd say this one does an amazing job of keeping up with the world of computer and device operating systems.

I use Google+ to keep up with a lot of minor and niche projects, and more often than not I read about new developments on this site a day or so before it hits that constantly moving social network.

In short, if you don't like it, leave. No one is stopping you. But if you're ranting for the sake of ranting (which I firmly believe) then I know you will stick around just so you can make up more reasons to complain.

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RE[5]: Sorry
by Alfman on Tue 29th Oct 2013 05:02 in reply to "RE[4]: Sorry"
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

Who among us aren't ranting for the sake of ranting? As it turns out, this very post is a rant ;)

Now it's likely that many of us do enjoy diving into stimulating topics and truly collaborate with others (as opposed to ranting). I enjoy reading a great technical article and discussing it with others. However would I really be in the minority if I found these moments are dwindling here on osnews? I want this to be a great place to come to collaborate about OS technology (and less about the mobile trends). For better or worse, today's format seems to have attracted a readership that I consider somewhat toxic when it to intelligent discussions; it only takes one over-opinionated poster to reduce the whole discussion to the online equivalent to 'trench warfare'.

In the past, I suggested osnews should get some technical writers to create original content, which we desperately need (IMHO). I suspect Thom might even have agreed with the idea but then I know it costs money. Ironically the good technical articles could even result in *fewer* ad views than the simpler divisive trending articles we have now. Consider the number of comments on technical articles might not even reach the teens, meanwhile the latest [apple/google/ms]-fad is likely to reach 100 for no reason other than people debating why one company is better than others.


Perhaps osnews could run a project of it's own to encourage us to use our collective minds constructively. I think we could find many viable projects that could work, I'd be willing to work with others here on _something_. Our project would get prime coverage here on osnews, which could be exceptionally useful for raising awareness, which is probably the #1 setback for indy projects.

I dunno, what's everyone else think? It would be an interesting opportunity for everyone here to participate in the development of a new project starting from it's inception. Too optimistic?

If you'd be interested Thom, you could start an article asking for project ideas (I have a few), and ideally lay down some ground rules.

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