Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 15th Nov 2013 22:50 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless

I bought a Droid 4 twenty-one months ago.

As a devout user of physical QWERTY keyboards, I'm pretty sure I'm screwed.

Great article by Sean Hollister on the demise of the QWERTY slider. In the article, Hollister speaks with Doug Kaufman, manager of handset strategy for Sprint, and his revelations are intriguing - it's not so much that people do not want hardware keyboards; it's that people want iconic, flagship phones - like the S4, like the 5S - with huge marketing pushes. Since nobody is pushing a flagship QWERTY slider... Nobody buys them. However, when you ask consumers what they want, physical keyboards are very, very popular.

And so, Kaufman admits: if there was an HTC One or Galaxy S4, a top-of-the-line phone, but with a keyboard - it would sell.

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Comment by MOS6510
by MOS6510 on Sat 16th Nov 2013 15:24 UTC
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2011-05-12

Don´t put a keyboard on a mobile phone.

It will make it bulkier, heavier, more fragile. And it will still be a crappy keyboard compared to a full-sized real one.

Don´t use your phone as a laptop, that´s what a laptop is for.

A mobile phone should be small, making is easy to carry, hold, put in your pocket.

Put a keyboard on a tablet or make it an option, like the Microsoft Surface. Those devices can have a keyboard with a useable size.

If you really type so much on your phone get a tablet or a laptop. That´s what they´re for.

A tablet is relatively small. You can bring a keyboard or leave it at home. Without the keyboard it´s still easier to type on than on a mobile phone.

Mobile phones have bad battery live. Why waste it even more trying to do too much on it, trying to do stuff on a device that´s not suited for it, even with a keyboard? Bring a tablet and 10 hours+ usage.

Each device has its strengths and weaknesses. By trying to address its weaknesses you also weaken the strengths. A hamer and a screwdriver are both better than a hammer that can also screw. And look less silly too.

I´d prefer to strengthen the strengths of each device.

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RE: Comment by MOS6510
by lproven on Sat 16th Nov 2013 16:31 in reply to "Comment by MOS6510"
lproven Member since:
2006-08-23

I have a more important rule for you.

Do not assume that your preferences are everyone's preferences.

For every single point you make, my personal preference is the exact reverse. Thanks to people like you, I can no longer choose the sort of device I prefer. I really very strongly object to that, and I really very strongly object to opinionated fools who tell me what I want and what I need when they have no idea.

Edited 2013-11-16 16:32 UTC

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RE[2]: Comment by MOS6510
by MOS6510 on Sat 16th Nov 2013 16:39 in reply to "RE: Comment by MOS6510"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

Do not assume my opinion, which I am free to give, has ANY influence on how phone builders build their phones.

I have given an opinion with a motivation without any insults. Your reply is you whining while also insulting me.You add nothing to this discussion. Oh, we should have physical keyboards, because *I* want that. That's a joke.

Sent from my iPhone

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RE: Comment by MOS6510
by WereCatf on Sat 16th Nov 2013 23:55 in reply to "Comment by MOS6510"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

Well, I am sorry, but I happen to want a H/W keyboard on a phone. It's much more convenient than any on-screen keyboard; on-screen controls are so god damn imprecise, they require you to maintain eye-contact with the device at all times and they eat screen real-estate.

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RE[2]: Comment by MOS6510
by MOS6510 on Sun 17th Nov 2013 08:09 in reply to "RE: Comment by MOS6510"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

Eh, so you don't want to look at the screen when typing (meaning you don't see the screen) and complain a virtual keyboard takes up too much of the screen (you'd need to look and see more than when typing blind)?

I can understand people prefer hardware keyboards to virtual ones. But like the article has shown I also think they're just not many of you.

Yes, a virtual keyboard takes up screen estate, but what are you writing that takes so many words? The size and the weight of the physical keyboard remain even when not typing while the virtual one disappears.

A physical keyboard adds to the cost, size weight, fragility and what does it add? An extra keyboard, you'd also have the virtual one.

Most people don't type that much. If you do wouldn't something else than a phone be more convenient? A tablet with a keyboard beats a phone with a physical keyboard. You can detach it and leave it at home if not needed. Or bring it along, it doesn't take up much space.

I just think number of people && typing a lot on a mobile phone == very small number.

There are Bluetooth keyboards and probably very small ones too. They'd type better than a virtual keyboard, probably, but I've never seen anyone use one. Probably because most people can manage fine with the virtual keyboard for their small bursts of text input.

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RE: Comment by MOS6510
by Soulbender on Sun 17th Nov 2013 07:40 in reply to "Comment by MOS6510"
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2005-08-18

I mostly agree although I do prefer Fender to Hamer.

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RE: Comment by MOS6510
by phoenix on Mon 18th Nov 2013 19:39 in reply to "Comment by MOS6510"
phoenix Member since:
2005-07-11

Don´t put a keyboard on a mobile phone.

It will make it bulkier, heavier, more fragile. And it will still be a crappy keyboard compared to a full-sized real one.


A hardware keyboard is better than an onscreen keyboard for anything beyond simple text messaging. Meaning, where you need to type more than plain English words. Like at an SSH prompt.

Don´t use your phone as a laptop, that´s what a laptop is for.


Why not? Phones have processing power equivalent to netbooks, so why not use that processing power for something actually useful? I carry a computer in my pocket. Why shouldn't I use it as a computer?

A mobile phone should be small, making is easy to carry, hold, put in your pocket.


Take it you've never held a Droid, a Photon Q, or an Xperia pro. These are all very pocketable phones, very easy to hold and use one-handed (portrait), but are also useful for more than just watching youtube.

Put a keyboard on a tablet or make it an option, like the Microsoft Surface. Those devices can have a keyboard with a useable size.


All of the above include keyboards, fit in jeans pockets, and provide all the benefits of tablets like the Surface ... without requiring a separate bag to carry them in.

Mobile phones have bad battery live. Why waste it even more trying to do too much on it, trying to do stuff on a device that´s not suited for it, even with a keyboard? Bring a tablet and 10 hours+ usage.


Bring a phone and get the same. What's your point?

Each device has its strengths and weaknesses. By trying to address its weaknesses you also weaken the strengths. A hamer and a screwdriver are both better than a hammer that can also screw. And look less silly too.


Why carry a hammer and a screwdriver and all the extras reqired for them, when I can just stick a Swiss Army knife or a multi-tool in my pocket? Takes less space, does the same work, it's always with me, etc.

Just because you don't like keyboard phones doesn't mean everyone should do what you do.

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RE[2]: Comment by MOS6510
by MOS6510 on Tue 19th Nov 2013 05:48 in reply to "RE: Comment by MOS6510"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

What use is SSH? I can only think or remote administration of a Linux server, which involves the <ctrl>, <esc> and | keys amongst others not generally featured on a physical mobile phone keyboard. This is probably an example where a virtual keyboard is even the better one.

SSH is not something companies use to promote their phone. Like WereCatf your use of a mobile phone is a-typical, but SSH'ing to remote servers is even more rare and something not enough people do to sell enough phones to make a profit.

A device with a real keyboard, like a laptop or even a netbook, is far superior to a mobile phone with physical keyboard when it comes to SSH. Using a phone to SSH is just wasting time when more quicker ways are available.

You may call your phone a Swiss knife, but someone who brings such a knife to a national carpenter competition will get destroyed by someone who brings a box of tools.

I always carry a real Swiss knife around and while it's great to have one when needed it doesn't hold against proper tools.

One last thing, I'm not against mobile phones with physical keyboards. Just because I think their added uses don't hold up against the downsides doesn't make me a hater.

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