Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 19th Jan 2014 23:57 UTC
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Steve Wozniak about the movie Jobs (crappy Google+ still doesn't have comment links, so scroll down a bit):

Actually, the movie was largely a lie about me.

This is what happens when a businessman is hyped up into the stratosphere and turned into a messiah - other people get marginalised to further deify the supposed hero.

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RE[3]: Wozniak vs Jobs
by mistersoft on Mon 20th Jan 2014 12:26 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Wozniak vs Jobs"
mistersoft
Member since:
2011-01-05

To be honest Tony Swash, do you actually wish for any "techie discourse" at all(?!) given how much of a strong and hearty apple supporter you are, and well....as you yourself exclaim it:

"Apple is dedicated to making the techie irrelevant and extinct."

??

You're blatantly a little bit of a techie, and Apple have successfully managed to capture you too along with iHoards, plus they have recently introduced their techie wet dream (slight hyperbole intended) in the new Mac Pro super dustbin. They (used) bang on about their "UNIX underpinnings". They make some great technical/pro level applications. They also have pretty good developer tools, well, esp if
you're not a hater of the lock in or the walled garden.. .I'm certainly no fanboy but I'm happy to give them credit on both an aesthetic and a technical front. As they indeed are techies and consumers alike.

The only real and true anti-techie bias from Apple is in their lack of meaningful user manuals..!

Beyond that (on this point) I think you're talking tosh Swash!

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RE[4]: Wozniak vs Jobs
by Tony Swash on Mon 20th Jan 2014 13:41 in reply to "RE[3]: Wozniak vs Jobs"
Tony Swash Member since:
2009-08-22

To be honest Tony Swash, do you actually wish for any "techie discourse" at all(?!) given how much of a strong and hearty apple supporter you are, and well....as you yourself exclaim it: ""Apple is dedicated to making the techie irrelevant and extinct."

??

You're blatantly a little bit of a techie,
"

I am indeed a bit of a techie, I started with CP/M back in the early 1980s and have used most of the important OS at some time. I love the techie details, I love being the one that knows how to fix things or make them work or carry out an arcane operation. But any technology that aspires to a mass user base and but which requires the end user to be the system integrator is suffering from under developed and probably poor design.

Other than the small minority of people like us, people who actually like to know how the tech works and who want to fiddle about with it, most users don't want to do that. They just want a tool to do a job, it's the job and the getting of it done that is of interest to ordinary people, the other 99.9%.

Beyond the technical details of kit and software (which is not what I come to sites like this for) what really fascinates me is how the tech industry works and where it is going and that has almost nothing to do with the technical details.

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RE[5]: Wozniak vs Jobs
by mistersoft on Tue 21st Jan 2014 01:57 in reply to "RE[4]: Wozniak vs Jobs"
mistersoft Member since:
2011-01-05

Other than the small minority of people like us, people who actually like to know how the tech works and who want to fiddle about with it, most users don't want to do that. They just want a tool to do a job, it's the job and the getting of it done that is of interest to ordinary people, the other 99.9%.


if you went down to 95%, sure I'd completely agree with that.

My quibble was primarily with your slightly inflammatory use of the word "dedicated"..!

As much as Apple knowingly target both the non-techie crowd along with those techies with a penchant for design/'simplicity', they don't seemingly show any disdain for techies either!

And "dedicated to making"..."irrelevant and extinct" - if you think over those words for a moment, you surely can't really agree with that?

.and to Testman, I'm not trying to troll thank you - I'm simply making a point as I see it!
But thanks for your constructive criticism. A pedant I may be but not a troll

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RE[4]: Wozniak vs Jobs
by testman on Mon 20th Jan 2014 22:09 in reply to "RE[3]: Wozniak vs Jobs"
testman Member since:
2007-10-15

Troll harder

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