Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 30th Jan 2014 23:13 UTC
Windows

Microsoft is once again planning to alter the way its Start Screen works in Windows 8.1 Update 1. While the software giant originally released Windows 8.1 last year with an option to bypass the "Metro" interface at boot, sources familiar with Microsoft's plans have revealed to The Verge that the upcoming "Update 1" for Windows 8.1 will enable this by default. Like many other changes in Update 1, we’re told the reason for the reversal is to improve the OS for keyboard and mouse users.

Wow, a touch interface does not work with a mouse and keyboard. Who saw that coming.

I expect photos of many people eating crow.

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RE[6]: It is a shame
by lucas_maximus on Fri 31st Jan 2014 13:01 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: It is a shame"
lucas_maximus
Member since:
2009-08-18

You were being obtuse and you know it.

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RE[7]: It is a shame
by mobileheresy on Fri 31st Jan 2014 13:37 in reply to "RE[6]: It is a shame"
mobileheresy Member since:
2014-01-09

You were being obtuse and you know it.


Funny: From my point of view you were the first one reacting with a rude reply.

It's true: a sample size of one is a rather small data point. Just be happy that till now you were productive with Win8. Enjoy it as long as it lasts.

The proposed changes to the Windows 8 UI simply tell me that you are not in the majority (or in the group relevant enough).

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RE[7]: It is a shame
by acobar on Fri 31st Jan 2014 14:17 in reply to "RE[6]: It is a shame"
acobar Member since:
2005-11-15

Perhaps, instead of short sentences belittling/disregarding other views, can you give us an insight of where you think Windows 8/8.1 shines?

Please, possibly, avoiding the "feels overall faster".

Like most here, I do like Windows 7, can use 8/8.1 after install some applications to make it behave a little bit more like the former and spend all time (when I am not on openSUSE) on the traditional side of fence.

I also never saw one single metro application that would be better, in the sense that would give a better "experience", when matched by an equivalent well designed counterpart (pardon the pleonasm).

I am really curious about.

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RE[8]: It is a shame
by Nelson on Sun 2nd Feb 2014 20:54 in reply to "RE[7]: It is a shame"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

I'll bite:

Consistency - Metro applications perform reliably and predictably. They do what they say they do. Capabilities are clearly declared and privacy is respected with regards to location and access to contacts.

Efficiency - Metro applications persist state so they do not need to run all of the time, they do not need to background all the time, and are generally engineered well enough so that if they do need background connectivity the events are properly managed by the OS.

Touch support - Win32 apps have abysmal touch support. WinRT apps use DirectManipulation which offers smooth interaction on a tablet.

Live Tiles - WinRT apps can surface information to the start screen. Meaningful, glanceable information. It's very powerful, even on a laptop.

A few well written apps are Hulu, Netflix, and OneNote.

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RE[7]: It is a shame
by shotsman on Sat 1st Feb 2014 06:37 in reply to "RE[6]: It is a shame"
shotsman Member since:
2005-07-22

As a W8/TIFKAM/Metro/Modern fan can you please take the time to explain why 'charms' and the need to click on a few pixels on some really strange place on the screen that is not marked is such a great, fantastic, wonderful, earth shattering idea?

In my really honest opinion that comes from 40+ years of computer use and programming, several years studying UI design and human interaction with a compluter, Metro is the biggest load of [redacted] ever to get released. I knocks Gnome 3.0 and the original Unity into a cocked hat.

Again personally, I hope that the people who designed it are made to use it in its current form for the rest of their lives. Either that or never be let near a computer, tablet or any other device again. I can't decide which is the worst punishment.
Frankly even IBM JCL and all its wierd incantations make more sense to me than Metro.

There again, I'm an old fuddy-duddy/dinosaur so I don't count but I know that I can still tell a bitter lemon from a Sweet Orange and Win 8.x is a rotten lemon no matter how much window dressing MS put on it.

Rant over. Long may you enjoy your Metro life.

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RE[8]: It is a shame
by lucas_maximus on Sun 2nd Feb 2014 17:55 in reply to "RE[7]: It is a shame"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

As a W8/TIFKAM/Metro/Modern fan can you please take the time to explain why 'charms' and the need to click on a few pixels on some really strange place on the screen that is not marked is such a great, fantastic, wonderful, earth shattering idea?


Why is the start bar so damn good when it requires you do to the same thing in a different part of the screen?

Charms are weird, but for me "oh that is over there and I click here". General Internet reaction "Microsoft has broken the whole of Windows forever and ever and ever and ever and ever".

Now I am moody person and very judgmental (especially when it comes to anything interface wise) when I am saying "you are whining" ... damn people are whining.

You know what really pisses me off, when a UI is deceiving.

* I recently had to use MySQL, the only decent GUI tool on Windows that was simple was HEIDI SQL. Unicode pound sides were coming out wrong. I was sure I was sending everything UTF8, wasted a few hours debugging ... it was a bug in the GUI.
* Viewing a photo in G+, it looks like a new Windows ... so you press backspace to move to the page before, but it isn't a page it is a lightbox that is fullscreen.

Anyway it is all academic.

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