Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 23rd May 2014 18:28 UTC
Internet & Networking

Historians of technology often cite Bush's essay as the conceptual forerunner of the Web. And hypertext pioneers like Douglas Engelbart, Ted Nelson, and Tim Berners-Lee have all acknowledged their debt to Bush’s vision. But for all his lasting influence, Bush was not the first person to imagine something like the Web.

This actually reminds me a lot of how contemporary technology media look at smartphones and such. They often have little to no experience with the breadth of mobile technology that came before the iPhone and Android, and as a consequence, they treat everything as new, revolutionary, and 'owned' - even though virtually everything has been taken from somewhere else.

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RE: Ted Nelson
by Nth_Man on Fri 23rd May 2014 23:08 UTC in reply to "Ted Nelson"
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when Bill Gates was writing letters to people telling them not to rip off his punched-paper-tape versions of BASIC.

After ripping off what he could from the trash cans of other programmers :-)
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2000/06/29/bill_gates_roots/

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RE[2]: Ted Nelson
by Nth_Man on Fri 23rd May 2014 23:54 in reply to "RE: Ted Nelson"
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2010-05-16

"I went to the garbage cans at the Computer Science Center and I fished out listings of their operating system."
-- Bill Gates

http://programmersatwork.wordpress.com/bill-gates-1986/
Suzanne Lammers, "Programmers at Work: Interviews With 19 Programmers Who Shaped the Computer Industry", Harper and Row, ISBN 0-914-84571-3

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngreathouse/2012/06/05/business-tips...

https://www.google.com/search?q="Bill+Gates"+"I+went+to+the+garba...

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RE[2]: Ted Nelson
by jockm on Sat 24th May 2014 05:24 in reply to "RE: Ted Nelson"
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2012-12-22

"when Bill Gates was writing letters to people telling them not to rip off his punched-paper-tape versions of BASIC.

After ripping off what he could from the trash cans of other programmers :-)
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2000/06/29/bill_gates_roots/
"

Hold on now, there is a big difference between saying that someone studied source of interesting systems (as all good programmers should do), and saying he stole code and used it in his products.

The register snarkily implies it, but they don't present a single shred of evidence. Because getting a few well placed kicks in is far more important than the truth...

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RE[3]: Ted Nelson
by Nth_Man on Sat 24th May 2014 06:48 in reply to "RE[2]: Ted Nelson"
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2010-05-16

he stole code [...] The register snarkily implies it, but they don't present a single shred of evidence. Because getting a few well placed kicks in [...]

To avoid confusions, in that case there are better words than "stole", because stealing an item from someone brings the idea that the victim does not longer have the item, but the thief does. Hours ago, in http://www.osnews.com/permalink?589467 I already added some words of Bill Gates saying he fished out the code from other people, and that he sees it as a good thing, but the software that he published later could not be studied-improved-distributed by people because it was proprietary - closed source software, which was the point that it was about.

Edited 2014-05-24 07:06 UTC

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RE[2]: Ted Nelson
by jockm on Mon 26th May 2014 22:14 in reply to "RE: Ted Nelson"
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2012-12-22

"when Bill Gates was writing letters to people telling them not to rip off his punched-paper-tape versions of BASIC.

After ripping off what he could from the trash cans of other programmers :-)
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2000/06/29/bill_gates_roots/
"

There is an important point I don't think I made well enough elsewhere: Taking something that has been thrown away is not stealing or "ripping off" or anything of the like.

In the US the case law is quite clear, unless the trash is kept securely such that the garbage can only be accessed by waste managment: anyone with access to it can take it.

You are free to a last word, I just wanted to make sure that point was made...

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RE[3]: Ted Nelson
by zima on Fri 30th May 2014 23:30 in reply to "RE[2]: Ted Nelson"
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2005-07-06

In the US the case law is quite clear, unless the trash is kept securely such that the garbage can only be accessed by waste managment: anyone with access to it can take it.

How strong is that case law? Does it override copyright in the case of code? ;)

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