Linked by Rayiner Hashem on Tue 15th Nov 2005 17:44 UTC
Apple I recently bought one of the new dual core PowerMacs. Having used the machine for a couple of weeks, I thought I would share some of my observations and feelings about it. First, let me get my biases out in the open. I have, for about four years, very happily used Linux on my desktop. Doing so has made me very comfortable with the UNIX environment in general, and with GNOME specifically. During that time, I have used OS X machines on a regular basis, so I am quite comfortable in that environment as well. Since I switched to Linux, I have not used Windows for anything more than the occasional bit of software testing or lab work, and generally feel quite uncomfortable with it. Thus, this article is very much written from the perspective of someone who finds OS X and Linux pleasing on principle. I implore the reader to make his own value judgments based on my comments.
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rayiner
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2005-07-06

You can pretend all you want but the memory that comes with the G5 is Good not some cheap generic no name brand as you and Rayiner seem to suggest.

The only part in the Mac that I suggested was cheap was the Western Digital. I did so because when I bought the X2's drives, the 2500JD was running in a completely different price bracket from the Maxtor and Seagate 250GB drives I was considering. This is because it was previous-generation technology (older platter designs, etc). For the rest of the parts, I simply suggested that they were nothing you wouldn't find in a Dell. You've done nothing but prove that. Dell doesn't use no-name parts in their computers. They use cheap, often generic, but decent parts. My last Dell tower came with Micron RAM, for example.

The whole point of the exercise was to debunk the idea that Apple uses particularly high-quality parts in their machines. The underlying implication, of course, is also that these parts cost more, justifying the price premium of Apple computers. All you've done is debunk these claims with your insistence that quality fans don't matter, or quality RAM doesn't matter. Maybe they don't. That doesn't change the fact that Apple machines use the same parts Dell machines do.

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Arun Member since:
2005-07-07

The only part in the Mac that I suggested was cheap was the Western Digital. I did so because when I bought the X2's drives, the 2500JD was running in a completely different price bracket from the Maxtor and Seagate 250GB drives I was considering.

Is the WD2500JD in the g5? or is it the WD2500JS? Different drive SATA-II and the price checks prove you wrong.

Dell doesn't use no-name parts in their computers. They use cheap, often generic, but decent parts. My last Dell tower came with Micron RAM, for example.

Did I claim that Dell used cheaper parts than Apple? There is nothing wrong with Micron DIMMs.


The whole point of the exercise was to debunk the idea that Apple uses particularly high-quality parts in their machines.


They do use high quailty parts. They just don't meet your silent PC standards that are personal to you and only you.

The underlying implication, of course, is also that these parts cost more, justifying the price premium of Apple computers. All you've done is debunk these claims with your insistence that quality fans don't matter, or quality RAM doesn't matter. Maybe they don't. That doesn't change the fact that Apple machines use the same parts Dell machines do.

The are more expensive. We just did the excercise of adding ECC memory to you X2 and it increased the price.

The WD drive is more expensive than the seagate in your 7200.8 and is rated to be quieter and support AAM.

I didn't say qaulity RAM doesn't matter. I took offense to you claim that the RAM that came witht he G5 is "generic" and the one in your X2 is name-branded. The G5 uses name branded DIMMS (micron, samsung). Since you claimed to have installed curicial memory in the G5 along with the no name one.

It is even more funny that you made no mention of the brand of memory in the X2 all the article says is CAS2 DDR 400.

X2:
Processor: AMD Athlon X2 4400+ @ 2.2 GHz
Motherboard: DFI LanParty nForce4
Cache Memory: 1MB of full-speed on-die L2 per core
System Memory: 2GB of CAS2 DDR-400 SDRAM
Graphics Card: Gigabyte GeForce 6600GT 128MB
Hard Drive: Seagate 7200.8 250GB SATA
Optical Drive: MSI SATA CD-RW
Power Supply: Seasonic S12 380W
Case: Antec P180
Operating System: Ubuntu AMD64 5.10

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