Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 19th Nov 2005 16:52 UTC, submitted by chrishaney
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu The first preview release of (K)Ubuntu 6.04 Dapper Drake has been released. You can download Ubuntu here, and Kubuntu here. Screenshots can be found here and here.
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RE: Mod points
by on Sun 20th Nov 2005 11:12 UTC in reply to "Mod points"

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What I said was factual so.
I am sorry to dissapoint you, but unqualified remarks about "bloat" are not facts.


...KDE is more bloated that ever...
Ok, what does "bloated" mean? Being "turgid or swollen" of being "filled to capacity or overflowing"?

Please say what you really mean, and do not hide behind nonsensical buzzwords.

Does KDE use too much memory? Does the default interface contain too much (in your oppinion) unneeded visual information? Does the default install come with too many applications that you do not need?


...to many points at which KDE accesses the net...
At which points do you mean? Does KDE call home without asking? What does it do?


...security...
What problems do you have with the KDE security model? Do you have any specific weaknesses in mind?


...KDE also really needs to sort it's themes out, they just look the same and no drag and drop install like GNOME...
Why use the invisible drag and drop functionality if you have GHNS (get hot new stuff) http://kstuff.org/index.php?p=ghns



What I wanted to express in this post is that you have probably not been modded down because of KDE users which want to keep you from spreading the truth, but because you repeat unsubstantiated claims about KDE, using buzzwords.

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v RE[2]: Mod points
by on Sun 20th Nov 2005 11:32 in reply to "RE: Mod points"
RE[3]: Mod points
by on Sun 20th Nov 2005 11:41 in reply to "RE[2]: Mod points"
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"Does KDE use too much memory?"

3 TIMES AS MUCH MEMORY AS GNOME, to be exact. if you don't believe me, set up a system for yourself with gdesklets running on gnome and the equivelent superkaramba on kde.


How about: "If you do not believe me: here are some numbers that I have gotten while experimenting"

or: "These was the exact setup I used, so that you can verify my claims" (the scientific method)


have you verified that it wasn't just caches that were allocated from your system, but real used memory? Until you go into a little more detail I am forced to take your finding with a big grain of salt.


What i can take from your comment is that there is at least a perceived problem with the memory usage on which people will have to work.

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RE[3]: Mod points
by segedunum on Sun 20th Nov 2005 13:00 in reply to "RE[2]: Mod points"
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2005-07-06

3 TIMES AS MUCH MEMORY AS GNOME, to be exact. if you don't believe me, set up a system for yourself with gdesklets running on gnome and the equivelent superkaramba on kde.

Errr, no. The memory numbers you'll get are completely different depending on things like caching, particularly on Linux. Open GDesklets, Firefox, Nautilus and Evolution and all those normal apps you use and watch it go down the pan. KDE's memory usage will stay just about consistent.

It's a well known fact that you can't run Gnome on anything less than 256 MB, and the more the better.

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RE[2]: Mod points
by SlackerJack on Sun 20th Nov 2005 12:01 in reply to "RE: Mod points"
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2005-11-12

If funny that you cannot come up with anything other than to reflect my comments off the subject, you make it sound like KDE is perfect. Even the devs are not happy with KDE since most of the time it's been redesigned so many times, and KDe4 will be no different.

KDE needs to get it's act together and produce a design that they are going to stick with, not change it when they want. GNOME has stayed the same since early days showing the design was sound in the first place, KDE just add after add change design after design, KDE4 a redesign of something thats already wrong.

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RE[3]: Mod points
by on Sun 20th Nov 2005 12:17 in reply to "RE[2]: Mod points"
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If funny that you cannot come up with anything other than to reflect my comments off the subject
No what I try to achieve is to get a discussion going that does not simply repeat buzzwords, but contains actual information, as this is the only way that anything can actually achieved.


, you make it sound like KDE is perfect.
That was not my intention, and I do not believe that most people will see it that way. The intenion of that comment was to try to get you to verbalize your specific problems with KDE so that these can be discussed.


Even the devs are not happy with KDE since most of the time it's been redesigned so many times
Do you know how many times the Mercedes Benz has been redesigned? (Not that I would compare KDE to that car, it is just supposed to act as an example)

Every time you design/implement/create something you learn. You see parts that work out differently than you anticipated, see parts that might have been achieved better or simply learned that you have made a wrong choice somewhere. The result of this process is that you would like to change it to the better. Hence the redesign.

I do not believe perfection can be achieved, so there is always place to improvement. Personally I would rather be alarmed if something does not change. (I know some people value stability higher than improvement, but this is a question of values, not of right/wrong or good/bad)


GNOME has stayed the same since early days showing the design was sound in the first place
Another possible explanation would be that they just stick to the design out of conveniece or dislike of change. (Again purely speculative and not meant as an attack.)


KDE4 a redesign of something thats already wrong.
Why would you redesign something that is right? I believe that the community of KDE sees room for improvement, and grasps this chance to actually implements it. I cannot see a problem with that. People are not forced to upgrade to KDE4, after all it is open source. They could stick to KDE3 for as long as they like.

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